gleicher@duke.cs.duke.edu (Michael Gleicher) (01/21/88)
I am beginning to look for a Prolog environment for my Mac 2. I'd appreciate any recommendations or comments. My main criteria are: 1) Be somewhat standard (easy to move programs from Quintus C and SB prolog on other machines) 2) Use the large amount of memory I have. 3) Be CHEAP (a public domain one, like SB etc would be best) 4) Be moderately efficient (interpretters won't cut it unless they absolutely excell in the top 3 catagories. Availability of the Mac toolbox, an integrated editor, and a macintosh user interface are nice, but aren't essential. Has anyone considered porting an available one (ie SB-Prolog, CProlog or Sicstus) to the Mac? Thanks, Mike Michael Lee Gleicher (-: If it looks like I'm wandering Duke University (-: around like I'm lost . . . E-Mail: gleicher@cs.duke.edu)(or uucp (-: Or P.O.B. 5899 D.S., Durham, NC 27706 (-: It's because I am!
newton@cit-vax.Caltech.Edu (Mike Newton) (01/22/88)
Some comments regarding the recent inquiry regarding Prolog for the Mac:
First, despite the posters comments, CProlog is NOT in the public domain.
Though the academic license is real cheap, it is needed. I believe an
industry license is big $$. (Note: I maintain an 'alternate' version
of CProlog that compiles under more systems, like UTS, than the original.)
I have NOT yet tried to compile it under Mac OS (please dont ask), though
it seems to work under some other (un-named) OS.
I dont know if Quintus or BIM have a Mac version yet, of if they ever
will. I'm pretty sure that at least BIM was thinking of it.
If Turbo Prolog for the Mac ever comes out _DONT BUY IT_. It is trash.
A commercial Mac Prolog that I highly recommend is by ALS. I believe
they are about ready to ship the Mac version. The PC version has been
out a while. (Note: i have ties to ALS, so this is biased. However,
it really seems nice!). Their phone number is: 315 471 3900.
- mike
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"Reality is a lie that hasn't been found out yet..."dwb@apple.UUCP (David W. Berry) (01/23/88)
In article <5269@cit-vax.Caltech.Edu> newton@cit-vax.UUCP (Mike Newton) writes: > >I dont know if Quintus or BIM have a Mac version yet, of if they ever >will. I'm pretty sure that at least BIM was thinking of it. I just talked to some folks at Quintus and "it's not on the schedule" It would, however, probably be simple to talk them into doing a port to A/UX, providing you wanted to pay the n thousand dollar price they ask. -- David W. Berry dwb@well.uucp dwb@Delphi dwb@apple.com 973-5168@408.MaBell Disclaimer: Apple doesn't even know I have an opinion and certainly wouldn't want if they did.
deering@spar.SPAR.SLB.COM (Michael Deering) (01/23/88)
Other MAC-II prologs to consider include LPA macprolog, and AAIS prolog (Advanced AI Systems). Many large programs run in AAIS prolog on a MAC II the same speed as Quintus compiled on a SUN-3/50, while still maintaining a complete debugging environment. I believe LPA has full toolbox access, AAIS certainly does. Both of these prologs have been shiping commercially for over a year. I not yet seen a non-beta version of ALS prolog, but I have not looked recently (2 months). (Note: I have ties to AAIS, so this biased. However, it is really nice!) - MD
guest@drexel.UUCP ( Learn) (01/25/88)
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We at Automata Design Associates consider the MAC to be a prime
target for porting. Our prolog system has some very nice uncon-
ventional features, such as a cyclic structure unifier, a very
reasonable price, and is currently implemented on 386 based
UNIX systems. For more details, refer to the new product
announcement in this section.
If you'd like to see it happen, send a request to Apple for
hardware support.
Reply to this posting via drexel!adapro2!bob, as we are loosing
this guest account.lhe@sics.se (Lars-Henrik Eriksson) (01/25/88)
In article <10955@duke.cs.duke.edu> gleicher@duke.cs.duke.edu (Michael Gleicher) writes: >I am beginning to look for a Prolog environment for my Mac 2. >I'd appreciate any recommendations or comments. > >My main criteria are: > 1) Be somewhat standard (easy to move programs from Quintus > C and SB prolog on other machines) > 2) Use the large amount of memory I have. > 3) Be CHEAP (a public domain one, like SB etc would be best) > 4) Be moderately efficient (interpretters won't cut it unless > they absolutely excell in the top 3 catagories. >Availability of the Mac toolbox, an integrated editor, and a macintosh >user interface are nice, but aren't essential. > >Has anyone considered porting an available one (ie SB-Prolog, CProlog >or Sicstus) to the Mac? ZYX Macintosh Prolog is a very good Prolog system for Macintoshes. It meets your requirements above (except possibly #3...). Also, it has a Mac user interface, an integrated editor and good, but limited, access to the Mac toolbox. If you have heard that ZYX Prolog uses LISP syntax, you have heard right, but it does have C-prolog compatibility, both syntactically and semantically. At SICS, several people use it, and we are very pleased. It runs naive reverse at about 33 KLIPS (compiled) on a Mac II, an academic license is $210. For further information contact ZYX Research AB (a Swedish company). Phone +46 (for Sweden) 8 665 32 05 or E-mail pia@zyx.se. Regarding porting of other Prologs: We have started to port Sicstus to Macs at SICS. The timetable is very fuzzy, this project does not have high priority as we already have a good Prolog system (ZYX) for Macs. The main reason we do this is that we want to use the same Prolog system all over SICS on different machines, to simplify porting Prolog programs. Note to Mike Gleicher: If you read this please notify me by E-mail (lhe@sics.se). I suspect that my postings don't reach the U.S. and want to check. Lars-Henrik Eriksson Internet: lhe@sics.se Swedish Institute of Computer Science Phone (intn'l): +46 8 752 15 09 Box 1263 Telefon (nat'l): 08 - 752 15 09 S-164 28 KISTA, SWEDEN