wally@tc.fluke.COM (Wally Miller) (11/24/87)
I'm one of those people that couldn't wait until Apple came out with the Mac+ and it's SCSI port to get a hard disk so I bought a GCC Internal 10M hard disk. Unfortunately I think that I'm stuck waiting until GCC releases a new version of its system software before I can try out the new version of the Finder (6.0?) and Multi-Finder (1.x?). Is this true? Or is it possible to use this stuff? Is GCC working on a new system patch? Does anyone else on this net have a similar hardware configuration? Support from my local vendor is next to non-existent and I'm wondering if others are experiencing this same situation and how they are coping with it. HELP!!! -- -- Wally Miller {decvax!microsof,uw-beaver,ssc-vax,allegra,ucbvax!lbl-csam,sun}!fluke!wally John Fluke Mfg. Co., MS 244E; PO Box C9090; Everett, WA 98206; (206) 356-5940
egg@ihlpa.ATT.COM (Edwin G. Green) (11/25/87)
In article <2326@sputnik.COM> wally@fluke.UUCP () writes: >disk. Unfortunately I think that I'm stuck waiting until GCC releases a new >version of its system software before I can try out the new version of the >Finder (6.0?) and Multi-Finder (1.x?). > >Is this true? Or is it possible to use this stuff? Is GCC working on a new >system patch? > I have a GCC HD20. I just had it upgraded for the Plus upgrade. GCC sent me V3R2 release of their software which includes System 4.1 and Finder 5.5. I don't have Multi-Finder. -- Edwin G. Green AT&T Bell Laboratories Naperville, Illinois, USA IHP 1F-550 312-416-7187 UUCP: ihnp4!ihlpa!egg
cole@sas.UUCP (Tom Cole) (11/30/87)
1. You must have hyperdrive software V3R2, available from your dealer. Note: my dealer now charges $30, claiming this is GCC's doing, where I used to get it free. Does this mean there will be more aggressive support for upgrades? :-) 2. Install the new hyperdrive software first. Be sure to use Manager V3R2 to turn OFF the hyperdrive caches, which were on by default after installation. These caches and System 4.2 do not get along. Go for maximum compatibility... 3. Then install the system using the Mac Plus script. I found that after doing so, I had to remove Backgrounder, the INIT that detects print spooling and such. Its presence caused MultiFinder to drag to it's knees. However, I can't afford a la$erwriter anyway, so it didn't matter. Parenthetical note: how come there's no spooler support for appletalk imagewriters? Am I the only person who bought such a thing? Apple, do you still care? :
msimpson@teknowledge-vaxc.UUCP (12/04/87)
I downloaded the Finder 6.0/System 4.2 upgrade materials from Cash-We-Serve :-) and updated my 20meg internal Hyperdrive. So far, so good. (Configuration: 1 meg MacPlus, 20Meg interal Hyper). I have followed the suggestion of turning off the RAM caches from the Manager. I'm also running with Software Supply's Suitcase and Pyro! INITs. They seem to work relatively well, as long as I remember to hold down the OPTION key while selecting 'Suitcase' from the Apple menu (and continue to hold it down while selecting my desk accessory). I, of course, agree with all the previous comments trashing GCC for their "support" (if you can call it that) of their Hyperdrive. Talk about giving the customer the shaft after laying out serious change for a product -- they make (stereotypical) used-car salesmen look positively charming and helpful. As soon as I can cough up the money for a new memory board, the Hyperdrive is history. Perhaps we should organize a boycott of GCC's Personal Laser Printer, in response to their support of Hyperdrives? (no smiley here, folks!) -- Mike Simpson Teknowledge, Inc. Los Angeles, CA Internet:msimpson@teknowledge-vaxc.arpa Usenet: ...!{decwrl,harvard,seismo,sdcsvax,sri-unix,ucbvax,uw-beaver,uunet}! msimpson@teknowledge-vaxc.arpa
jtd@wdl1.UUCP (12/04/87)
Sorry to the net...I had trouble e-mailing. Wally, you need V3R2 of the Hyperdrive Software. For more info: 1) E-mail to me at jtd@ford-wdl1.arpa, 2) phone (415) 852-4446 (day) (408) 738-4160 (home)
t-jacobs@utah-cs.UUCP (Tony Jacobs) (01/21/88)
I have a 512k Mac upgraded to 2 Meg (Via Dove's upgrade),a 20Meg HyperDrive, the V3R2 software and can run the 4.2/6.0 system and all that goes with it. The Dove upgrade is a little tricky to install right but seems to work just fine. The HyperDrive controller board is the same one used for a 10meg, (I upgraded from a 10 to a 20 and it uses the same controller board.) -- Tony Jacobs * Center for Engineering Design * U of U * t-jacobs@ced.utah.edu
msimpson@teknowledge-vaxc.ARPA (Mike Simpson) (01/27/88)
Well, I'm afraid I may have started this one some time ago. But, to agree with Peter Merchant and others, GCC's support of the internal HyperDrive has gone from bad to worse to non-existant. However, we end users can take at least *some* solace in the fact that GCC doesn't discriminate -- they screw other developers as well. An example follows. When I got my upgrade to V3R2, I noticed that there was no HyperTools utility along with it. (HyperTools is a volume de-fragmentation utility for HyperDrives.) I ordered ALSoft's DiskExpress, only to find that it would't work under V3R2. I was surprised at this, so I called ALSoft. The following exchange took place: ME: I'm running V3R2 Hyperdrive Software, new System/Finder, and DiskExpress won't work. It seems to be eating my hard disk. ALSOFT: Oh, do you have a disk with V3R1, System 3.2 and Finder 5.3? ME: Yes. Why? ALSOFT: Try booting the Mac with that disk, running DiskExpress from it on your Hyperdrive volumes. Then put HyperTools on that disk, run it, and do a Complete Optimization on the volume.. That will make the free space on the volume accessible to all drawers, rather than just the one on which you ran DiskExpress. ME: (some timelater) I tried it, and it worked. That's good news. But why won't DiskExpress work directly under V3R2? ALSOFT: Because GCC changed their file and block allocation algorithms between V3R1 and V3R2, and wouldn't tell us how they did it. How petty. How juvenile. I've had to replace my boat anchor (20 meg internal Hyperdrive) twice because of kamikaze flameouts ("This file can't be opened. Unknown error." is my favorite), instances where the Manager has refused to work, etc., etc. I will never purchase another General Computer Corporation product. Those of you who have purchased a Personal Laser Printer: good luck, and let's hope you don't need it. -- Mike Simpson Teknowledge, Inc. Los Angeles, CA Internet:msimpson@teknowledge-vaxc.arpa Usenet: ...!{decwrl,harvard,seismo,sdcsvax,sri-unix,ucbvax,uw-beaver,uunet}! msimpson@teknowledge-vaxc.arpa