mrfeng@nada.kth.se (Lars-Erik Fredriksson) (02/06/88)
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and this too
Well since you asked
The version I am running on is KanjiTalk 2.0 its built on system 4.1
and has JIS level 1&2 ( i.e both levels of the Japanese Industrial
Standard character sets ) It runs fine on a MacII and I saw it run on
an SE at MacWorld in San Fransisco where it was shown by mrs Yuko Judy
Hiratsuka president of Mercury Communication Service, Palo Alto, then
working for the the Radius people.They (the Radius people) probably
got a copy from Apple since the system only existed in golden master
and as I could understand hadnt been released in Japan yet. APDA in
Renton may very well get it for distribution as an update to the
scriptmanager-developers package since they have been distributing the
old Arabic System AB1.1 (AIS Arabic Interface System) and Japanese
System J1.1 (JIS Japanese Interface System). However that will more
than likely take awhile (they didnt know about this themselves yet and
new documentation for this package in english has to be written by
someone at Apple, be it Japan Hong Kong or USA) and a better
possibility is probably to get it from Japan. One shop that comes to
mind if you dont have any japanese connection could be the Zero-One
Shop ; Canon ( that is the name of a computer shop in Nishi-Shinjuku in
Tokyo )
A person that was helpful to me at that shop when I visited Tokyo was
mr Masanori Ikeda.
Zero-One Shop, Canon Eiken Co., LTD.
Shinjuku Mitsui Bldg.
1-1, 2-Chome,Nishi-Shinjuku, Shinjuku-ku
Tokyo 163, Japan
phone int+3 (345) 9101
fax: 03 (345) 9109
since I have started on this I will continue with:
The Chinese System - HanziTalk 1.0 ( HIS Hanzi Interface System) (there
are two versions the mainland HK-001, simplified characters, i.e.
jiantizi based on Peoples republic standard Guojia Biaozhun and the
Taiwan HK-002 with traditional characters, i.e. fantizi) It doesnt
work on the Mac II yet but there is a beta that does according to Apple
Hong Kong. I dont know when it will be shipped, but the other two were
announced in August and started shipping in November there are two
possible dealers for Hong Kong the first recommended by Apple Hong Kong
is:
Sun Business Machines Ltd.
8/F, Tsuen Wan Ind. Centre,
220-248 Texaco Road
phone : int+85204998168
Tlx: 45628 FUJI HX
Fax: 04996607
They charge 100 US $ for each of the systems and it took them a long
time to react to my pleas via both telephone and telexes long after
they had received my check!
Still they might be better and more responsive than the other party
that didnt seem to be that interested in the chinesespeaking market
when I visited them, well maby they changed with the new operative
system becoming available but I dont know what theyll charge:
Gilman Office Machines
shop 102-103,
Alexandra House, 1/Fl.
Hong Kong
phone-5-236635
Random thoughts:
I know that it is Apples policy to let national divisions of Apple
have quite a lot of independence. It is also a known fact that the by
Apple preferred way for system software to be distributed should be
through the friendly dealers where one buyes ones mac and therefore is
in the language of the country where it is bought. In most cases this
is fine but a company like Apple in a country where the population has
such a large amount of cultures and languages represented should think
of a better scheme to distribute its system software for the benefit of
national minorities large as they are! At least im sure that there
could be a more flexible solution if they could let the academic sites
of the Apple University Consortium share in the distribution process.I
know it is virtually impossible for any national apple tech support to
answer the questions that is likely to emanate from all the
different language system software, and I dont ask for this. but I dont think it is in the line of supporting Creativity and understanding
between the peoples of the world to make it so difficult to find a
system software for lets say a person living abroad who prefer his or
hers native language, or a linguist who would rather type in French
German or Japanese who may actually have use for all the scrips and
languages of the world at the same time.
(Gosh do I wait for themonolitic operative system that lets me
toggle from Japanese to Chineseto Korean to Swedish etc etc without
having me to reboot all the timeit could be a script at bootup and
maby language resources in thesystem folder I wonder if its
possible to do with the Japanese and theChinese systems what the
gentleman Leonard Rosenthol is doing with hisSuitcase!? probably
not since the large fonts of the Jap and Chin systems get read up
in Ram even before the debugger is loaded clues and hooks
anyone!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!?)..........
Well to sum up the above when it comes to getting
ones preferred system ( yes I do support the system (:-{ > )
this national independance poses a problem.
*boy,is this ever an understatement*
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I have spent large quantities of time and money trying to get my every
day working tools namely the Japanese and mainland and Taiwan versions
of the chinese operative systems respectively. As you can see from
these lines you will have to get the system through a dealer in Japan
and for Chinese & Korean via the same in Hong Kong.Good Luck!!!!!!!
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The Korean System - HangulTalk 1.0 (acronym anyone?) was to be
officially announced to the market as of yesterday (Thursday 4 Feb) and
dont know where in Seoul? to obtain it.
B.T.W - The Hebrew system is ready since november -87 and up for grips
($$$?) should you pass through Tel Aviv.
And There is a scriptmanager compatible wordprocessor being worked on
with slightly more d, actually Im not!? There is nothing I would
like more, than to see some more information on this net on
CJK-automation and It surprises me that there is less than fifty
postings over a year that concernes these topics. It is bound to be
many more working with similar problems!!? Keep me posted if you dont
want to be in the limelight of this meeting.
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Thank you for your patience
and let me hear from you.
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