clubmac@runx.ips.oz (Macintosh Users Group) (02/03/88)
I am using a Mac SE with 20 meg internal, System 4.2, and TOPS (dated 18th
March, 1987). I have found that since installing TOPS that CDEVs with
INITs in them are not being run at startup.
Has anyone else noticed this??
Thanks in advance,
Jason Haines, President
Club Mac Macintosh Users Group, Sydney, Australia
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UUCP:{enea,hplabs,mcvax,prlb2,uunet,ubc-vision,ukc}!munnari!runx.ips.oz!clubmackateley@apple.UUCP (Jim Kateley) (02/05/88)
In article <1360@runx.ips.oz> clubmac@runx.ips.oz (Macintosh Users Group) writes: >I am using a Mac SE with 20 meg internal, System 4.2, and TOPS (dated 18th >March, 1987). I have found that since installing TOPS that CDEVs with ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ There is a slight problem with the older TOPS installers, they install an old INIT 31 and appletalk drivers. The newer INIT 31 is responsible for loading in CDEV's at boot time. You should be able to fix it by installing System Tools 5.0 again. If you need to to more TOPS installations, copy the entire SS TOPS installer disk to a double sided disk, and then up date it with the installer from System Tools 5.0 -- Jim Kateley Applelink: kateley1 UUCP: {sun, voder, nsc, mtxinu, dual}!apple!kateley CSNET: kateley@apple.COM Disclaimer: What I say, think, or smell does not reflect any policy or stray thought by Apple Computer, Inc.
stew@endor.harvard.edu (Stew Rubenstein) (02/06/88)
In article <1360@runx.ips.oz> clubmac@runx.ips.oz (Macintosh Users Group) writes: >I am using a Mac SE with 20 meg internal, System 4.2, and TOPS (dated 18th >March, 1987). I have found that since installing TOPS that CDEVs with >INITs in them are not being run at startup. > >Has anyone else noticed this?? The TOPS installer replaces INIT 31 (the one that takes care of running INITs in other files) with its own version. Scrap your System file and start over, or maybe you can use ResEdit to get an INIT 31 out of a virgin System and paste it into yours. Moral: Don't use the TOPS Installer. Distrust anything that mucks with your System file. Stew Rubenstein Cambridge Scientific Computing, Inc. UUCPnet: seismo!harvard!rubenstein CompuServe: 76525,421 Internet: rubenstein@harvard.harvard.edu MCIMail: CSC
cbm@gethen.UUCP (Chris Muir) (02/10/88)
I'm posting this for a friend who wrote it last year: Hello- It was mentioned to me that the Tops Installer has been much maligned in these here parts recently. Being its author I thought I should respond. I do not know what has been said, but will attempt to explain a few things about its behavior. First some history. The program was begun in late 1985. The System file and the resources accompaning it were in a state of flux. In order to run Tops, certain System resources need to be present. At that time, and for most of 1986, the resources needed could not be guaranteed to be present. Thus, the Tops Installer had to put them there. These resources included AppleTalk (.MPP, .ATP, NBP0, NBP1) and the now infamous INIT 31. There are no means to determine the version of these resources. So, the Tops Installer had to assume that the System on the source disk has the latest versions. The Installer would thus always replace these resources in the target System File if they already existed, to make sure the latest of these resources were present. Which brings us to 1987 and the new, improved, System 4.1. We all now know that there is a new INIT 31 with wonderous init time properties, very different from its previous behavior. And you probably also know that System 4.1 needs this sucker to run. So you get your new System 4.1 and you update your boot disk. Then you want to install/update Tops. When the Tops disks were duplicated, the current System was 4.0, with an old INIT 31. Thus, the Installer erroneously replaces the new INIT 31 with the old INIT 31 and all hell breaks loose. We could have done an analysis of the various resources, say by size or by the first few bytes, and then kept a list of each of these resources for every version that we could find, but the list would be rapidly out of date (we were getting alpha and beta systems almost weekly sometimes). The overhead, we decided, was way to much for us to maintain, not to mention the room for error. And trying to keep all the Installers out in the field updated would be a nightmare. So we settled on the current scheme. The fix is really very simple. Copy the Tops distribution disk to a double sided one. Then update the System to 4.1 on that disk using the Apple Installer. Now the correct INIT 31 will be installed with Tops. Or, if you hate the Apple Installer you could make a copy of your System Utilities disk, copy the three Tops files over (Tops, Tops Help and (if you need it) Interbase), and move the Tops DA from the System on the Tops distribution Disk to the System on the new System Utilities disk using the Font/DA Installer. Now you can use the Tops Installer and everything will be hunky dory. Sorry for all the problems this has caused. But keep in mind that System 4.1 caused many more problems than just this. I for one am glad to have 4.1 and all its new features, and have gladly put up with the inconveniences. For the record, Tops itself was written by Gary Fitts, Gary Stroud and Flash Pflaumer. Anaya Rose and Tim Maroney did a lot after the initial development. Gary Fitts did the Mac side solo and is one of the unsung heroes of our time. Tracy Lakin -- _____________________________________________ Chris Muir | "There is no language in our lungs unisoft!gethen!cbm | to tell the world just how we feel" - A. Partridge