hvt@tnosel.UUCP (henq) (02/28/88)
hi,
I manage some 15 macs at my work. We recently got a Mac II and AppleShare
and laserShare and now I am trying to set it all up. But some questions
remain, that are even to diffucult for the dealer.
1.
AppleShare came with system 4.1.
LaserShare has system 3.3 (!) on its disk
I want to use system 4.3 ('release 5.1' sigh...) troughout the network.
How do I go about upgrading the start-up disks ??
Should I :
A)
make a sys 4.3 disk, use the AppleShae installer to install A.S. and than
install LaserShare with its bundled installer ?
Will this work ? Can one install A.S> and L.S. from disk that has an
older system version on it than the target disk ?
or should I
B)
upgrade both the A.S. and the L.S. installer disks to sys 4.3 (using the
installer supplied with sys 4.3 ), and than install A.S. & L.S. to the target
disks. (Q: Will the installers on the A.S. and L.S. disks complain about the
system on their disks being upgraded ?).
Any hints on the procedures to follow when one has to install
AppleShare supplied with System version X and LaserShare supplied with
system version Y to a target system version Z where
X <> (OR =) Y <> (OR =) Z
would be much appreciated.
Another A.S. topic:
Are there already applications that are save to multiple-launch ?
I set the 'Cached' bit of Word 3.01b for example, but that
gave me the nr 26 granate on the second launch. Any help....
-Henq
By the way: I am *very* impressed by AppleShare. Powerful product
yet easy to operate.
Have a nice day
:wqkorn@Apple.COM (Peter "Arrgh" Korn) (03/02/88)
In article <567@tnosel.UUCP> hvt@tnosel.UUCP (henq) writes: >I manage some 15 macs at my work. We recently got a Mac II and AppleShare >and laserShare and now I am trying to set it all up. But some questions >remain, that are even to diffucult for the dealer. > >1. >AppleShare came with system 4.1. >LaserShare has system 3.3 (!) on its disk > >I want to use system 4.3 ('release 5.1' sigh...) troughout the network. > >How do I go about upgrading the start-up disks ?? One of the ideas behind the Installer is to install just what needs installing, and no more unless desired. You should be able to install in any order (in general), and see no problems. The way we do it on our AppleShare Servers and Workstations here at Apple is to just use the latest System Disk installer, and install the System & printer drivers over the AppleShare server and workstation disks. Alternately, if you have a System 5.1 release disk that you want workstation to be on, simply take out your Workstation Installer disk, and install *just* Workstation 1.1. The same goes for Server. However, I would recommend installing LaserShare after installing Server, this too probably won't make any difference. Again, only install with the AppleShare and LaserShare scripts when you are going onto a disk that has a later system. >Another A.S. topic: > >Are there already applications that are save to multiple-launch ? > >I set the 'Cached' bit of Word 3.01b for example, but that >gave me the nr 26 granate on the second launch. Any help.... Strange... I've had no trouble running Word 3.01 and 3.05 from multiple workstations off of 1 server. Out of the box my copy came with the 'Cached' bit set (which, for those out there unfamiliar with the wonders of ResEdit is *really* the MultiLaunch bit [find this, and other goodies, in those Tech Notes we send out]). I believe that Excel is also a Multi-Launch app. Note: simply setting the 'cached' bit of an application will NOT make it multi-launch. Your application must use the Open/Deny modes detailed in InsideMac V in order for this to work properly. Also in vol. V are calls to do byte-range locking, etc., for multi-user databases. Peter -- Peter "Arrgh" Korn korn@apple.com !hplabs!amdahl!apple!korn "Hi mom!"
peter@aucs.UUCP (Peter Steele) (03/02/88)
in article <567@tnosel.UUCP>, hvt@tnosel.UUCP (henq) says: > > By the way: I am *very* impressed by AppleShare. Powerful product > yet easy to operate. > But will it protect users from each other? I thinking primarily of a (hostile) student environment where there's always at least one student who would love to go around wrecking havoc on the system. In our investigation, we found only one network server software that had the kind of security we wanted--MacJANET. (JANET is an acronym for Just Another NETwork.) -- Peter Steele Acadia Univ Wolfville NS Canada B0P1X0 (902)542-2201x121 UUCP: {uunet|watmath|utai|garfield}dalcs!aucs!Peter BITNET: Peter@Acadia Internet: Peter%Acadia.BITNET@CUNYVM.CUNY.EDU
paul@mit-caf.UUCP (Paul Meyer) (03/04/88)
In article <7535@apple.Apple.Com> korn@apple.UUCP (Peter "Arrgh" Korn) writes: >Strange... I've had no trouble running Word 3.01 and 3.05 from ^^^^ Where did you get version 3.05 of Word! Is it more compatible with the rest of the world? Oh, wait. Do you mean 1.05? Bummer. I was hoping for a new version. Oh, well. I'll have to wait. Bill Gates said "every MS Mac application will have a major upgrade this year" when talking to the BCS Mac meeting last month. He also mentioned something about putting hooks in Microsoft Mac applications to allow some kind of working together (I don't remember if it was compatible macros, or some kind of inter process communication or what). I guess this probably isn't it. Paul Meyer Microsystems Technology Laboratory MIT
phd@SPEECH1.CS.CMU.EDU (Paul Dietz) (03/04/88)
In article <809@mit-caf.UUCP> paul@mit-caf.UUCP (Paul Meyer) writes: >In article <7535@apple.Apple.Com> korn@apple.UUCP (Peter "Arrgh" Korn) writes: >>Strange... I've had no trouble running Word 3.01 and 3.05 from > ^^^^ > Where did you get version 3.05 of Word! I don't know if anyone cares, but the version of Word I have is 3.02 . I bought it about three weeks ago. Is this the latest? Paul H. Dietz ____ ____ Dept. of Electrical and Computer Engineering / oo \ <_<\\\ Carnegie Mellon University /| \/ |\ \\ \\ -------------------------------------------- | | ( ) | | | ||\\ "If God had meant for penguins to fly, -->--<-- / / |\\\ / he would have given them wings." _________^__^_________/ / / \\\\-
lsr@Apple.COM (Larry Rosenstein) (03/09/88)
In article <891@aucs.UUCP> peter@aucs.UUCP (Peter Steele) writes: >But will it protect users from each other? I thinking primarily >of a (hostile) student environment where there's always at least >one student who would love to go around wrecking havoc on the AppleShare 1.0 & 1.1 did have a problem where a malicious user could steal someone's folder. Even though s/he couldn't open the folder s/he could prevent the legitmate owner from gaining access as well. AppleShare 2.0, which was recently announced, allows the owner of a folder to set a flag prohibiting it from being moved, which prevents the folder from being held hostage. Are there other ways in which a malicious user can cause problems with AppleShare? -- Larry Rosenstein, Object Specialist Apple Computer, Inc. 20525 Mariani Ave, MS 32E Cupertino, CA 95014 AppleLink:Rosenstein1 domain:lsr@Apple.COM UUCP:{sun,voder,nsc,decwrl}!apple!lsr
sys_ms@bmc1.uu.se (03/20/88)
In article <7603@apple.Apple.Com>, lsr@Apple.COM (Larry Rosenstein) writes: > In article <891@aucs.UUCP> peter@aucs.UUCP (Peter Steele) writes: > >>But will it protect users from each other? I thinking primarily >>of a (hostile) student environment where there's always at least >>one student who would love to go around wrecking havoc on the > > AppleShare 1.0 & 1.1 did have a problem where a malicious user could steal > someone's folder. Even though s/he couldn't open the folder s/he could > prevent the legitmate owner from gaining access as well. > > AppleShare 2.0, which was recently announced, allows the owner of a folder > to set a flag prohibiting it from being moved, which prevents the folder > from being held hostage. > > Are there other ways in which a malicious user can cause problems with > AppleShare? There are a very easy way to bypass Appleshares security mechanism, and gain access to every folder on the system. Without hacking passwords and without access to the main machine. I am not sure wich version of Appleshare I discovered this on. I could check it up. Mats Sundvall BMC University of Uppsala Sweden mats@bmc1.uu.se