sierra@ati.tis.llnl.gov (Frankie Sierra) (04/06/88)
I have been using a Peripheral Land 90i hard disk on my Mac II for about 4 weeks without any problems. But last night, I was checking out some public domain desk accesories using a DA tester program. As usual one of those DAs crash on the Mac II, and I press the RESTART button in the bomb dialog with no effects (as usual again). Thus I proceed to press the programmers button to restart the machine, and guess what, the system found no disk to boot up. After inserting the floppy system disk, I perceived that the hard disk was not present on the desktop (was not mounted). After checking with various system utilities, all of them agree in that there is no hard disk installed on the SCSI port 0. But when using the Peripheral Lands utilities, the disk is there and in good shape. I dismounted the hard disk, boot up without it, remounted again, but no luck. All connections are fine. It seems like the system got amnesia. How can I make the system to believe that in fact the Hard Disk is there? Frankie Sierra sierra@ati.tis.llnl.gov
rmf239@uxf.cso.uiuc.edu (04/08/88)
I have a CMS Pro45 it also has done this, however in my manual it explains what to do. On the hard drives utility disk there is a zappram utility I run this reinstall my drivers with another utility, and then set up my control panel. Then everything is honkey-dorey. You're hard drive should have simmiliar programs. Check your manual for your drive's specifics. Mike Rutman
ack@eleazar.Dartmouth.EDU (Andy J. Williams) (04/08/88)
In article <22103@tis.llnl.gov> sierra@ati.tis.llnl.gov (Frankie Sierra) writes: >I have been using a Peripheral Land 90i hard disk on my Mac II for >about 4 weeks without any problems. But last night, I was checking >out some public domain desk accesories using a DA tester program. >As usual one of those DAs crash on the Mac II, and I press the RESTART >button in the bomb dialog with no effects (as usual again). Thus I >proceed to press the programmers button to restart the machine, and >guess what, the system found no disk to boot up. ... >I dismounted the hard disk, boot up without it, remounted again, but >no luck. All connections are fine. It seems like the system got >amnesia. How can I make the system to believe that in fact the Hard >Disk is there? On the MacII in the Personal Computer Center here, we have had a recurring problem with the HD disappearing from the setup. Booting up finds no disk, Disk first aid says it is fine, MacZap doesn't see it, etc. It is there but not quite there. The cause? I touched the screen. I wanted to wipe some dust off and ZAP! System error, and the drive was gone at reboot. (Color RGB monitor). The fix? The PRAM was screwed somand did a Control Panel with CMD-OPT down to ZAP the PRAM and start again. PRAM got zapped (reset) and the Hard Drive reappeared totally intact on reboot. What the hell kind of bug is that? I was able to repeat this bug a number of times. Now we havethis helps the original poster above, zapping the PRAM may fix all, or do nothing. > >Frankie Sierra >sierra@ati.tis.llnl.gov -Andy Just say fieyrnt. -- Andy J. Williams'90 |_ /| ACK! |BITNET: ack@eleazar.dartmouth.edu HB 509 Dartmouth Clg|\`o_O'Systems|UUCP:{ihnp4,decvax,linus}!dartvax!eleazar!ack Hanover, NH 03775 | ( ) |DISCLAIMER: You better like my opinions, 603-643-7727 | U --ACK! | my mother can beat up your mother...
keeshu@nikhefk.UUCP (Kees Huyser) (04/08/88)
In article <22103@tis.llnl.gov> sierra@ati.tis.llnl.gov (Frankie Sierra) writes: #..... #After inserting the floppy system disk, I perceived that the hard disk #was not present on the desktop (was not mounted). After checking with #various system utilities, all of them agree in that there is no hard #disk installed on the SCSI port 0. But when using the Peripheral #Lands utilities, the disk is there and in good shape. # #I dismounted the hard disk, boot up without it, remounted again, but #no luck. All connections are fine. It seems like the system got #amnesia. How can I make the system to believe that in fact the Hard #Disk is there? # #Frankie Sierra #sierra@ati.tis.llnl.gov Try zapping the parameter ram. The Mac sometimes gets confused and f**ks up the PRam. After resetting that things ought to come back to normal. I think the combination is option-clover-shift reboot or something like that. If that doesn't work, pry open the little battery lid on the back of the Mac, take out the battery for 10 minutes, put it back in again and try rebooting. Don't forget to reset the time, date and all other things the PRam remembers. -- Kees | UUCP : keeshu@nikhefk.uucp or {[wherever]!uunet}!mcvax!nikhefk!keeshu | BITNET : keeshu@hasara5.bitnet | FIDO : Kees Huyser @ 2:508/15 (Opus_MacSaga) | SNAIL : Kees Huyser, NIKHEF-K, PO Box 4395, 1009 AJ Amsterdam, Netherlands +-----------------------------------------------------------------------------
fiatlux@ucscc.UCSC.EDU (David Vangerov) (04/10/88)
In article <22103@tis.llnl.gov> sierra@ati.tis.llnl.gov (Frankie Sierra) writes: >I have been using a Peripheral Land 90i hard disk on my Mac II for >about 4 weeks without any problems. But last night, I was checking >out some public domain desk accesories using a DA tester program. >As usual one of those DAs crash on the Mac II, and I press the RESTART >button in the bomb dialog with no effects (as usual again). Thus I >proceed to press the programmers button to restart the machine, and >guess what, the system found no disk to boot up. > >After inserting the floppy system disk, I perceived that the hard disk >was not present on the desktop (was not mounted). After checking with >various system utilities, all of them agree in that there is no hard >disk installed on the SCSI port 0. But when using the Peripheral >Lands utilities, the disk is there and in good shape. > >I dismounted the hard disk, boot up without it, remounted again, but >no luck. All connections are fine. It seems like the system got >amnesia. How can I make the system to believe that in fact the Hard >Disk is there? Oh boy, is this ever a recurring problem with the Mac II. Before spring break I got a call from a woman who was having some trouble with a Mac that she was using (I think it was a 512KE) and during the converstation she asked me if it was possible to wipe out a hard disk by hitting the restart button. I said no and she said that she was working on a Mac II at work and had done that and boom! no more hard disk. They (supposedley) had to recover the disk from a backup. And they weren't too happy with her about this. They didn't have to re-format the drive and restore from a backup. It seems that they were bit by a "bug" that when a program dies in some way and you hit the restart button, the drive internal drive doesn't re-appear. I'm assuming that Frankie's drive was an internal one. From the sounds of it, he got bit by this same "bug" that this woman had and that our lab has. We've been hit by it a couple of times and someone else on campus has had a similar problem. Ok, here's what I've figured out on how to "fix" the drive. For those of you with an Apple 40 meg hard-drive in there you get out your Utilities Disk. Boot-up with this disk. On there should be this nifty program called "Apple HD SC Setup". Make sure you have the latest available version of this. I believe it should be 1.4 or 1.5, but I'm sure someone at Apple can verify this for me. (you are listening, Apple, aren't you?). This is the program that is used to initialize the drive at first and install the driver for it. In addition to intializing, you can test the drive or update the driver. I've found that by either testing the drive or by updating the driver the drive itself comes back and you've got no problems. The first thing I do is test the drive. If that works then you've got no problems. If that fails (which is unlikely) you then should "Update" the driver. When doing this make sure you have the latest version of the software available. The version we have is 1.4 and has a date of June 9, 1987 for when it was created/modified. This seems to work fine for us for the two times that it has "bit" us. For those of you who have third-party drives I don't know what to do. Your hard-disk should've come equipped with Utilities similar to Apple's HD SC Setup progrm. You should have the option to update or test the drive. Try using either of those options and as I said, your drive should come back to life. I've only dealt with the 40 meg Apple drives, so things may be just a little different with third-party drives. As I've said, this seems to be a recurring problem with internal hard-drives on the Mac II. Apple, is it possible to track down this problem and fix it? Or if you can't, at least tell the users that a "bug" exists that causes the system to "forget" about the internal hard-drive and tell them what to do to fix it and NOT to re-initialize the disk. If the drive can be recognized by the setup software, then the drive is not damaged and no data has been lost (except maybe from what you were just doing). I've seen this happen when using MacWrite, MacZapTools, and Public-Domain programs that don't quite work right. It doesn't happen often (thank god!), but when it does it tends to make the user panic (as it did to me the first time) and is also a pain. Sorry for the length and I hope this helps... +----------------------------------------------------------------------------+ | David Vangerov | | Just your average Theater Arts major with a weird thing for computers | | fiatlux@ucscc.BITNET || fiatlux@ucscc.ucsc.EDU || ...!ucbvax!ucscc!fiatlux | +----------------------------------------------------------------------------+
moriarty@tc.fluke.COM (Jeff Meyer) (04/12/88)
In article <2752@saturn.ucsc.edu> fiatlux@ucscc.UCSC.EDU (David Vangerov) writes: >As I've said, this seems to be a recurring problem with internal >hard-drives on the Mac II. Apple, is it possible to track down >this problem and fix it? According to MacWeek, this will be fixed in the Version 6.0 software release, *RUMORED* to be coming out at the end of April. "Do we have any more animals that Grandma can torture?" -- Moriarty, aka Jeff Meyer INTERNET: moriarty@tc.fluke.COM Manual UUCP: {uw-beaver, sun, microsoft}!fluke!moriarty CREDO: You gotta be Cruel to be Kind... <*> DISCLAIMER: Do what you want with me, but leave my employers alone! <*>