hammersslammers1@oxy.edu (David J. Harr) (06/04/88)
Well, I called Symantech THINK Technologies division yesterday to find out
what the status on the LSC 3.0 upgrade is. They told me that they would be
sending leeters out next week to all registered users to clue them into the
procedure for getting the new stuff. There are some good points and some
not-so-good points.
1: the upgrade is shipping later this month.
This means we can all soon have our fondest desires (:-))
fulfilled.
2: source level debugging
What more needs to be said?
3: it will come with a new manual
No more futzing through 17 different addendums to addendums to
additions to the manual.
AND-------------
4: it will only cost (the upgrade, that is) $69.00!!!!!
I may seriously think twice about getting it at this sort of
price.
The retail price is not going to change, so it doesn't do a whole lot of
good to have bought it earlier waiting for 3.0. You can get a nw=ew one from
MacConnection for only about $30.00 more than the upgrade. (And I bought it
in Jan of '88 hoping for the upgrade, so I missed the Feb 1 deadline for the
free one. Oh well.)
I forgot to ask if it supports 68881 and 68020. Rich? Any word on that, now
that it is semi-official?jwhitnell@cup.portal.com (06/06/88)
|Well, I called Symantech THINK Technologies division yesterday to find out |what the status on the LSC 3.0 upgrade is. | 4: it will only cost (the upgrade, that is) $69.00!!!!! | | I may seriously think twice about getting it at this sort of | price. On the expensive side, even with the new manual. Oh, well it should be worth it. |I forgot to ask if it supports 68881 and 68020. Rich? Any word on that, now |that it is semi-official? According to Micheal Kahl (the author), it will support 68881 code generation, but not 68020. The decision as to which to support was based on the most bang for the programmer time, since Mike had other things on his list to support. I don't know about the inline assembler, however, I hope it supports '020 and '851 as well. -- Jerry Whitnell jwhitnell@cup.portal.com ..!sun!cup.portal.com!jwhitnell
clive@drutx.ATT.COM (Clive Steward) (06/08/88)
From article <6266@cup.portal.com>, by jwhitnell@cup.portal.com: > |Well, I called Symantech THINK Technologies division yesterday to find out > |what the status on the LSC 3.0 upgrade is. > > > | 4: it will only cost (the upgrade, that is) $69.00!!!!! > | > | I may seriously think twice about getting it at this sort of > | price. > > On the expensive side, even with the new manual. Oh, well it should be > worth it. My goodness, it's really hard to understand a comment like that! Expensive? Lsc has always been really a terrific bargain. Then there are the three or so sets of _completely_ free and widely distributed upgrades. and the service on so many nets. I think Think does a _terrific_ job. Now, $149 for the MacProject upgrade, that's expensive. Especially since it's still a one-window program, etc., etc.. It is important to have the improvements, but there should be so much more, if you really manage projects.... Clive Steward
hammersslammers1@oxy.edu (David J. Harr) (06/08/88)
Someone wondered about my comment on the fact that a $69.00 upgrade to LSC 3.0 seemed to be expensive. The whole point of a reduced upgrade fee is to reward previous and (supposedly) faithful users with a better deal than Joe Schmoe who is just off the street buying the program for the first time. I *DIDN"T* say that I felt that THINK was robbing us blind or anything, it's just that when I can walk down the street and buy a brand new LSC 2.15 which will be upgraded to 3.0 for free for _$75.00_ it is a little tought to swallow a $69.00 fee for the upgrade. And of course, if you want to talk (SSSHHHHH< He's going to say it >) PC market (GASSSP!! He said it! And in a Macintosh newsgroup no less!) you can get Turbo C for $67.00 from the mail places. Again, this is *NOT* a flame at THINK, it is not a "my Turbo C can beat hell out of your LSC compiler" war, it is just a comment on the term "upgrade." ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- "That's a very good question. I'm glad you asked that question. Next question, please."
mkao@crash.cts.com (Mike Kao) (06/12/88)
When will this new version be available? And when can we expect a version
that will support 68020 code?
I was just about to buy the latest version of Lightspeed C for my Mac II,
but after hearing this, I think I'd better wait. The question is: how long?
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INET: mkao@pnet01.CTS.COMterranova@vms.macc.wisc.edu (06/12/88)
In article <3103@crash.cts.com>, mkao@crash.cts.com (Mike Kao) writes... >When will this new version be available? And when can we expect a version >that will support 68020 code? If I remember the ad correctly - at the same time. > -- Mike Kao > >UUCP: {cbosgd, hplabs!hp-sdd, sdcsvax, nosc}!crash!pnet01!mkao >ARPA: crash!pnet01!mkao@nosc.mil >INET: mkao@pnet01.CTS.COM ------------------------+------------------------------------------------ John C. Terranova | I'd start a revolution, but I don't have time. CS, BS to be | --Billy Joel, "Close to the Boarderline" ------------------------+------------------------------------------------ I speak for myself and all those listed below. And no one else. 1) 2) 3)
atchison@hpindda.HP.COM (Lee Atchison) (06/13/88)
I am a registered LSC user (just bought it in the last couple of months). I haven't received anything in the mail yet about the upgrade offer. Am I the only one or have other registered users not received the upgrade notice yet? I'm worried that something happened to my registration, I don't want to have to pay full price for the upgrade...... Anyone else in the same position? -lee ---- Lee Atchison Hewlett Packard, Business Networks Division Cupertino, CA 95014 atchison%hpindda@hplabs.hp.com
mbk@hpsemc.HP.COM (Miles Kehoe) (06/14/88)
$69 for an upgrade isn't really what I call a low cost upgrade. I went out and bought the 2.15 compiler for my Mac... not for work, just to play around with. Now that my copy is 4 weeks old, I have to spend another $60 for an upgrade to fix the problems with the doc and code I just got? Even Microsoft has a policy on helping new owners get FREE upgrades (manuals and all) if you've bought an outdated version of their product in the last 6 months or so. I think THINK has a LONG way to go before it's successful in the mass-appeal market if they think 'only $69' is good enough for their customers. Guess I'll save my $69 and see what Borland must have up their sleeve soon. mbk
jmm@thoth10.berkeley.edu (06/14/88)
I just got my copy of the upgrade notice today. James Moore | B'fhearr don net mura mbeadh jmm@bartleby.berkeley.edu | Bearla ar bith ann. #airigh "leithsceal caighdeanach" | :-)
g556871349ea@deneb.ucdavis.edu (0040;0000004278;0;745;352;) (06/15/88)
In article <620007@hpsemc.HP.COM> mbk@hpsemc.HP.COM (Miles Kehoe) writes: >I went out and bought the 2.15 compiler for my Mac... not for work, >just to play around with. Now that my copy is 4 weeks old, I have to >spend another $60 for an upgrade to fix the problems with the doc The way I understand this upgrade and it should apply to you if your copy is only four weeks old, is that the upgrade is "free" if purchased after Feb 1, 1988. It says so in my upgrade letter. But wait a minute, shipping charges are between $3.50 or $5.50. So much for free. At least the $25 rebate should cover that unless you didn't ask for that either. |Colin Ong Department of Land, Air and Water Resoiurces | University of California, Davis, CA 95616 | Disclaimer: I make no warranty as to the fitness of my advice and | do you really think that the UC would either?
isle@eleazar.dartmouth.edu (Ken Hancock) (06/15/88)
In article <620007@hpsemc.HP.COM> mbk@hpsemc.HP.COM (Miles Kehoe) writes: >$69 for an upgrade isn't really what I call a low cost upgrade. >I went out and bought the 2.15 compiler for my Mac... not for work, >just to play around with. Now that my copy is 4 weeks old, I have to >spend another $60 for an upgrade to fix the problems with the doc >and code I just got? If your copy is only 4 weeks old, then you get a free upgrade. Note that THINK's upgrade policy is for people who purchased LSC before February 1, 1988. Sorry to disagree, but I think THINK's customer relations is outstanding. They're always helpful, offer upgrades at VERY reasonable prices, and they're just plain friendly. Ken Ken Hancock | UUCP: isle@eleazar.dartmouth.edu Personal Computing Ctr. Consultant | BITNET: isle@eleazar.dartmouth.edu __________________________________/ \____________________________________ DISCLAIMER: If people weren't so sue-happy, I wouldn't need one!
wms@cevax.berkeley.edu (Wiley Sanders) (06/15/88)
In article <2267@ucdavis.ucdavis.edu> g556871349ea@deneb.ucdavis.edu.UUCP (Colin Ong) writes: >....... At least the $25 rebate >should cover that unless you didn't ask for that either. What's this about a $25 rebate? -w Wiley Sanders "MS-DOS: The Eunuchs' Operating System..."
ric@arizona.edu (Ric Anderson) (06/15/88)
In article <8898@dartvax.Dartmouth.EDU>, isle@eleazar.dartmouth.edu (Ken Hancock) writes: ... > If your copy is only 4 weeks old, then you get a free upgrade. Note > that THINK's upgrade policy is for people who purchased LSC before > February 1, 1988. Maybe you get a free upgrade... According to the customer service rep at the phone number given on the upgrade notice, you MUST submit a copy of your store receipt from when you bought the product. Being a registered owner on or after the magic date is NOT sufficient. Something to do with the registration being handled by one part of the company, and the upgrade by another as I understood it. So if you didn't save your receipt, it appears you must pay the upgrade fee, even if your copy is only a few weeks (days) old.
hodas@eniac.seas.upenn.edu (Josh Hodas) (06/16/88)
In article <5875@megaron.arizona.edu> ric@arizona.edu (Ric Anderson) writes: >In article <8898@dartvax.Dartmouth.EDU>, isle@eleazar.dartmouth.edu (Ken Hancock) writes: >... >> If your copy is only 4 weeks old, then you get a free upgrade. Note >> that THINK's upgrade policy is for people who purchased LSC before >> February 1, 1988. >Maybe you get a free upgrade... According to the customer service rep >at the phone number given on the upgrade notice, you MUST submit a >copy of your store receipt from when you bought the product. Being >a registered owner on or after the magic date is NOT sufficient. > This is true of most waranties and other customer service type things. Otherwise you could buy something, and wait as long as you liked to register it. On the other hand, if you have lost your reciept I would recommend two possible options. 1) (best bet) contact the company you bought it from, they can probably verify the date of your purchase and produce a duplicate invoice or similar thing for you. 2) If you really just bought it, and you got it from a place that has high product turnover that got it from a distributor with high turnover then You might be able to convince Think to check their records for when your serial number left their place. If it's since the magic date, there is no way you could have bought it any earlier. These and similar techniques have worked for me at various times in the past in various related situations. Hope they help. Josh ------------------------- Josh Hodas (hodas@eniac.seas.upenn.edu) 4223 Pine Street Philadelphia, PA 19104 (215) 222-7112 (home) (215) 898-9515 (school office)
g556871349ea@deneb.ucdavis.edu (0040;0000003883;0;745;352;) (06/16/88)
In article <24702@ucbvax.BERKELEY.EDU> wms@cevax.berkeley.edu.UUCP (Wiley Sanders) writes: >In article <2267@ucdavis.ucdavis.edu> g556871349ea@deneb.ucdavis.edu.UUCP (Colin Ong) writes: >>....... At least the $25 rebate >>should cover that unless you didn't ask for that either. > What's this about a $25 rebate? Now that I think about it, I only saw the ad for the rebate and free upgrade in MacUser (no endorsement here either) but I did call Symantec and confirmed the offer before I went and bought LSC. The ad ran only once or twice a few months back.
boz@eleazar.dartmouth.edu (John Boswell) (06/16/88)
I just received the notice for the upgrade for LSC version 3.0 in the mail. It says that if you bought LSC before Feb., 1988, you get the upgrade to version 3.0 for FREE. (Now *where* did I put that receipt???) John Boswell Dept. of Chemistry Dartmouth College boz@eleazar.dartmouth.edu
g556871349ea@deneb.ucdavis.edu (0040;0000003883;0;745;352;) (06/16/88)
In article <2278@ucdavis.ucdavis.edu> g556871349ea@deneb.ucdavis.edu.UUCP (Colin Ong) writes: >In article <24702@ucbvax.BERKELEY.EDU> wms@cevax.berkeley.edu.UUCP (Wiley Sanders) writes: >>In article <2267@ucdavis.ucdavis.edu> g556871349ea@deneb.ucdavis.edu.UUCP (Colin Ong) writes: >>>....... At least the $25 rebate >>>should cover that unless you didn't ask for that either. >> What's this about a $25 rebate? >Now that I think about it, I only saw the ad for the rebate and free upgrade >in MacUser (no endorsement here either) but I did call Symantec and confirmed >the offer before I went and bought LSC. The ad ran only once or twice a few >months back. What am I saying? Sorry, but the rebate is really for $15. I should have checked the ad once again before I posted the response. Makes me glad I wrote a disclaimer.
drc@dbase.UUCP (Dennis Cohen) (06/16/88)
In article <620007@hpsemc.HP.COM>, mbk@hpsemc.HP.COM (Miles Kehoe) writes: > $69 for an upgrade isn't really what I call a low cost upgrade. > I went out and bought the 2.15 compiler for my Mac... not for work, > just to play around with. Now that my copy is 4 weeks old, I have to > spend another $60 for an upgrade to fix the problems with the doc > and code I just got? Even Microsoft has a policy on helping new owners > get FREE upgrades (manuals and all) if you've bought an outdated > version of their product in the last 6 months or so. I think THINK > has a LONG way to go before it's successful in the mass-appeal market > if they think 'only $69' is good enough for their customers. Guess I'll > save my $69 and see what Borland must have up their sleeve soon. If you had paid attention to what was posted, you would have seen the comment that people who had purchased since 1Feb88 would get FREE upgrades by showing proof of purchase (receipt, etc). The $69 price is for people/companies who had purchased before that date. Further, Think has provided every upgrade before this for FREE to all registered owners. This covered at least four or five versions (I might have missed one along the way). Think also doesn't slip new versions into distribution without letting people know about them (how many versions of Excel have gone out sans announcement? How many people heard about the release of Word 3.02?) As to whether $69 is or is not a "low cost upgrade" I'll leave for others to debate, but I couldn't let this obvious misstatement go by without a mild flame. Think has really done excellent things for the Mac development community and should not take it on the chin for something that is so obviously from out of left field. Dennis Cohen Ashton-Tate Macintosh Division dBASE Mac Development Team -------------------------- Disclaimer: Any opinions expressed above are _MINE_!
peter@aucs.UUCP (Peter Steele) (06/17/88)
> I am a registered LSC user (just bought it in the last couple of months). > I haven't received anything in the mail yet about the upgrade offer. Am > I the only one or have other registered users not received the upgrade > notice yet? I also have not got the update notice yet, although someone here has. I'm worried as well. I really want LSC 3.0! -- Peter Steele, Microcomputer Applications Analyst Acadia University, Wolfville, NS, Canada B0P1X0 (902)542-2201x121 UUCP: {uunet|watmath|utai|garfield}dalcs!aucs!Peter BITNET: Peter@Acadia Internet: Peter%Acadia.BITNET@CUNYVM.CUNY.EDU
singer@endor.harvard.edu (Rich Siegel) (06/19/88)
In article <1119@aucs.UUCP> peter@aucs.UUCP (Peter Steele) writes: >I also have not got the update notice yet, although someone here has. >I'm worried as well. I really want LSC 3.0! People, relax. The update notice I posted went up roughly the same time as the update letters. Unlike Usenet, the US Mail service takes more than overnight to deliver letters, especially to Canada. If you have registered your copy of LightseedCC, then just sit tight and relax. >Peter Steele, Microcomputer Applications Analyst Does that mean that you figure out what to do with microcomputers? More power to you. -Rich Rich Siegel Quality Assurance Technician THINK Technologies Division, Symantec Corp. Internet: singer@endor.harvard.edu UUCP: ..harvard!endor!singer Phone: (617) 275-4800 x305
atchison@hpindda.HP.COM (Lee Atchison) (06/21/88)
> I am a registered LSC user (just bought it in the last couple of months). > I haven't received anything in the mail yet about the upgrade offer. Am > I the only one or have other registered users not received the upgrade > notice yet? Well, I spoke too soon. I got my upgrade offer, and mailed it in. Now if I can only scrap up enough money for a second megabyte...... -lee ---- Lee Atchison Hewlett Packard, Business Networks Division Cupertino, CA 95014 atchison%hpindda@hplabs.hp.com
mkao@crash.cts.com (Mike Kao) (06/24/88)
Is version 3.0 out in the stores and mail-order outfits yet? I've been
wanting to get Lightspeed C for quite sometime, and now I'm waiting to
order 3.0 instead of getting an update. By the way, will version 3.0
cost the same as the older versions?
Also, does Borland plan on releasing a Turbo C for the Mac in the near
future? How do Turbo Pascal and Lightspeed Pascal compare? Heck, if Turbo
is better and Borland is planning on releasing a C compiler, I'll wait.
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INET: mkao@pnet01.CTS.COMatchison@hpindda.HP.COM (Lee Atchison) (06/29/88)
I really don't know for sure if Borland is going to release a Turbo C for the Macintosh or not. However, I know a couple months ago they were looking for Beta testers for the Macintosh that knew C. Try putting 2 and 2 together...... -lee ---- Lee Atchison Hewlett Packard, Business Networks Division Cupertino, CA 95014 atchison%hpindda@hplabs.hp.com