[comp.sys.mac] Looking for Background Communications

lauri@svax.cs.cornell.edu (Georges Lauri) (07/16/88)

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I'm looking for a simple mac background communication program that
can provide a very minimal unattended file transfer capability.
Since we have a mixed machine park, i'd like the thing to be
as universal as a Un*x remote login (i.e., all straight ASCII),
with the usual simple filesystem and upload/download commands,
for binary and ascii files. Error control is no issue as we are
using MNP modems.  
If you know of such a beast, please email to me, i'll post a summary.
				Georges Lauri
				lauri@svax.cs.cornell.edu

hodas@eniac.seas.upenn.edu (Josh Hodas) (07/17/88)

In article <19329@cornell.UUCP> lauri@svax.cs.cornell.edu (Georges Lauri) writes:
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>I'm looking for a simple mac background communication program that
>can provide a very minimal unattended file transfer capability.
>Since we have a mixed machine park, i'd like the thing to be
>as universal as a Un*x remote login (i.e., all straight ASCII),
>with the usual simple filesystem and upload/download commands,
>for binary and ascii files. Error control is no issue as we are
>using MNP modems.  
>If you know of such a beast, please email to me, i'll post a summary.
>				Georges Lauri
>				lauri@svax.cs.cornell.edu

IN response to this and another poster who asked about differences between 
Versaterm 3.1 and 3.2, one of the things Versaterm added in 3.2 is a very
nice upload/download driver.  THe remote machine can request directories, and
tell the mac to send or recieve, in any given protocol.  SInce Versaterm
already supports backgrounding in general, this ought to do it.  All commands
are simple ascii control strings.

Josh


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lauri@svax.cs.cornell.edu (Georges Lauri) (07/17/88)

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This is to clarify the previous posting on background comms. While
the program should be universal, the principal thing it should be
able to do is to receive calls unattended, and then to allow
any user (i.e., even non-mac) to down/upload files. Sort of a
mini-bulletin board.  As a start, is this possible in
Microphone //? I've heard it's good...
					Georges Lauri
					lauri@svax.cs.cornell.edu

lauri@svax.cs.cornell.edu (Georges Lauri) (07/22/88)

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The Quest for Background communications:

A while ago, I posted a message asking for information about a comm program 
that could
-run in the background
-provide unattended remote access to my files from any computer, i.e. in
pure ASCII terminal form; something like a remote login
-upload/download, unattended, with or without error correction (Kermit or 
Xmodem); this
is not indispensible, as we are using secure (MNP) modems most of the time.
-password protection (please!)
-support generic hayes-compatible modems (I own a Microcom AX/9600+, which 
crashes
Smartcomm //)


Basically, the responses have indicated three possibilities, but without going
into details.

jfbrule@cmx.npac.syr.edu (Jim Brule) writes:

>I'd strongly recommend Microphone II, especially since it has the nicest
>'scripting' (ie, programmability) I've seen, but is extremely simple to
>use. It supports kermit, macbinary, etc., etc. I am a very happy user of it...

hodas@eniac.seas.upenn.edu (Josh Hodas) writes:

>IN response to this and another poster who asked about differences between 
>Versaterm 3.1 and 3.2, one of the things Versaterm added in 3.2 is a very
>nice upload/download driver.  THe remote machine can request directories, and
>tell the mac to send or recieve, in any given protocol.  SInce Versaterm
>already supports backgrounding in general, this ought to do it.  All commands
>are simple ascii control strings.

beloin@tcgould.TN.CORNELL.EDU writes:

>Red Ryder will do what you want through its scripting language. A
>little bit a programming to set it up, but not much diffuculty, I
>believe. It has a "host mode". I'm not sure if the mac can be used
>for anything else while this is running, however. (...)

schoaff@cs.cornell.edu (Peter Schoaff) told me about a shareware BBS system,
WWIV, which runs on the Mac. However, it would need a significant reworking
to be suitable for this task, and the sources are not available.

Hence, the three possibilities of Microphone //, RR, and Versaterm 3.2 are 
open.
Has anyone out there actually used these programs as I suggest, and can you 
report
on the "holes" in those postings; specifically
-Has someone written Microphone scripts for this? given the cost, I'm a bit 
leery
to just buy it and try it
-Any comments about Versaterm 3.2? Backgrounding? So far it looks like the 
winner.
-Does RR work in the background (MF)? Is it reliable? Could you, for instance,
remotely display a directory?

Please Email any reponses to me, i'll make a summary and tell you about my own
experiences with setting up the system.

                                              Georges Lauri
                                              lauri@svax.cs.cornell.edu
                                                                               
           
                                                                               
           

Mark_Peter_Cookson@cup.portal.com (07/23/88)

Red Ryder (10.3) will backgound for downloads, and so I guess it will for the
rest as it is hard to do one without doing the other.  You could easily write
a script for password protection (I think the command would be "PROMPT psswrd")
that would make it wait for the string psswrd to come in over the modem and
until it did Red would just sit there and look stupid.  After that (if you
were in host mode) it would wait for you to give it a command such as SENDX
HD name:Folder name:file name and it would start an XMODEM transfer of that
file.  And the command RECX (plus pathname, or at least file name) will start
it ready to receive your file you are about to send it.  This could also be
used as a sorta clumbsy way of sending messasge back and forth (you would have
to know the "address" of someone and then just download their mail, and to
send them a message you would simply upload a message to them by a name they
knew so they could download it).

I hope that helps you out.

Mark Cookson