ll12+@andrew.cmu.edu (Laura Ann Lemay) (07/15/88)
I need a good heavy-duty machine that will clean the muck off the little rollers inside an ADB or ordinary mouse. Alcolhol and diligence will not do it, we're talking massive amounts of dirt and sticky things here. Picking it off works, but the problem is I'm asking this on behalf of Carnegie Mellon Academic Computing which owns upwards of 90 SEs and plusses, none of whose mice have ever been cleaned (sigh). We figure a machine that can do it will be well worth the investment. I've heard of kensingtons mouse cleaner, and one called somthing 360, but I need feedback! Do they work? -Laura Lemay CMU Academic Computing Mac Person
kaufman@polya.Stanford.EDU (Marc T. Kaufman) (07/18/88)
In article <digest.8WrwACy00Ukc40T6cw@andrew.cmu.edu> ll12+@andrew.cmu.edu (Laura Ann Lemay) writes: >I need a good heavy-duty machine that will clean the muck off the little >rollers inside an ADB or ordinary mouse. Why don't you try taking a mouse to a jeweler, and having them use their ultrasonic cleaner on it. The cleaning solution shouldn't damage the case or the chips, and it may just do the trick. Marc Kaufman (kaufman@polya.stanford.edu) Disclaimer: Don't blame me if it doesn't work! I don't let my mice get that gunked up!
singer@endor.harvard.edu (Rich Siegel) (07/18/88)
In article <digest.8WrwACy00Ukc40T6cw@andrew.cmu.edu> ll12+@andrew.cmu.edu (Laura Ann Lemay) writes: > >I need a good heavy-duty machine that will clean the muck off the little >rollers inside an ADB or ordinary mouse. > > >Alcolhol and diligence will not do it, we're talking massive amounts of dirt >and sticky things here. Picking it off works, but the problem is I'm asking >this on behalf of Carnegie Mellon Academic Computing which owns upwards of 90 >SEs and plusses, none of whose mice have ever been cleaned (sigh). We figure >a machine that can do it will be well worth the investment. > >-Laura Lemay >CMU Academic Computing Mac Person Having once worked for CMU Academic Computing, I appreciate the magnitude of the problem; I use the Ergotron Mouse Cleaner 360 (look in the computer store); it's the finest mouse cleaner I've seen. A side bous is that it can also be used to clean the mice attached to the IBM RT's in the various Andrew workstation clusters. --Rich Rich Siegel Symantec/THINK Technologies (Former CMU Student and CMU/AC employee)
keeshu@nikhefk.UUCP (Kees Huyser) (07/18/88)
#In article <digest.8WrwACy00Ukc40T6cw@andrew.cmu.edu> ll12+@andrew.cmu.edu (Laura Ann Lemay) writes: # #I need a good heavy-duty machine that will clean the muck off the little #rollers inside an ADB or ordinary mouse. While it's not a heavy-duty machine, Tacklind Design's RealClean(tm) mouse cleaning kit does a remarkable job. It is a small box in which you will find a RealClean roller tool, a bottle of roller cleaning solution, non-conductive tweezers and pictorial instructions. I use it regularly to clean ~40 mice and it works fine. Tacklind Design, Inc. can be found at 250 Cowper Street, Palo Alto, CA 94301 --Kees (no connection with Tacklind Design, other than as a satisfied user of their products). ----- | UUCP : keeshu@nikhefk.uucp or {[wherever]!uunet}!mcvax!nikhefk!keeshu | SNAIL : Kees Huyser, NIKHEF-K, PO Box 4395, 1009 AJ Amsterdam, Netherlands | Mac programmers do it with a Manager +-----------------------------------------------------------------------------
brewer@clio.las.uiuc.edu (07/19/88)
I have a MouseCleaner 360. The ball does not fit in the mouse cavity
that came with my Mac II. Does anyone know why Apple changed the size of the
mouse ball? To be obnoxious?
I also have some flames about the new ADB mice. They suck compared to
an old Mac Plus mouse with special teflon feet (my MacII's mouse teflon looks
like it was sprayed on and will come off any minute). Also the ball sheds like
a #$&(#$&!! I have had to clean it twice in about 3 weeks (note that I am
working in a relatively clean environment, on a slick plastic mouse pad, sans
cats)! I cleaned my Mac+'s rollers about once every 3 or 4 months...I guess
they don't build things like they used to...
Robert Brewer
brewer@clio.las.uiuc.edu
{ihnp4 | convex | pur-ee}!uiucuxc!clio!brewerdorner@uxg.cso.uiuc.edu (07/20/88)
> I also have some flames about the new ADB mice.
I've seen 2 kinds of ADB mice. One has metal rollers; the other has plastic
rollers (except for the tension roller). The metal rollers stay nice and
clean (cleaned mine once in about 9 months). The plastic rollers are horrible,
just like they are in my non-ADB mouse.
But heck, Apple is probably saving a half cent by using plastic rollers
instead of metal rollers, thereby avoiding a $700 price increase for ADB mice
(counting normal mark-up, of course :-().
----
Steve Dorner, U of Illinois Computing Services Office
Internet: dorner@uxc.cso.uiuc.edu UUCP: {convex,uunet}!uiucuxc!dorner
IfUMust: (217) 333-3339rmf@actnyc.UUCP (Robert M. Fuhrer) (07/20/88)
In article <digest.8WrwACy00Ukc40T6cw@andrew.cmu.edu> ll12+@andrew.cmu.edu (Laura Ann Lemay) writes: > >I've heard of kensingtons mouse cleaner, and one called somthing 360... That wouldn't be an IBM 360, would it (8^))... I knew they were good for *something*... -- The Foundation for Unmitigated Sillyness uunet!actnyc!rmf Department of Redundancy Department City of Kansas City, Kansas
bayes@hpfcdc.HP.COM (Scott Bayes) (07/21/88)
>> I also have some flames about the new ADB mice. > >I've seen 2 kinds of ADB mice. One has metal rollers; the other has plastic >rollers (except for the tension roller). The metal rollers stay nice and >clean (cleaned mine once in about 9 months). The plastic rollers are horrible, >just like they are in my non-ADB mouse. > But here in sunny Colorado, my metal-roller ADB mouse needs a cleaning once a week, or I get this horrible black gunk bouncing the ball like crazy. The plastic "bogey" roller never gets dirty. Do we have different kinds of dirt around. I also use a reasonable slick mouse pad. [...] > >---- >Steve Dorner, U of Illinois Computing Services Office >Internet: dorner@uxc.cso.uiuc.edu UUCP: {convex,uunet}!uiucuxc!dorner >IfUMust: (217) 333-3339 Scott Bayes
phgun@violet.berkeley.edu (Himawan GUNADHI) (07/22/88)
In article <17000122@clio> brewer@clio.las.uiuc.edu writes: > > I have a MouseCleaner 360. The ball does not fit in the mouse cavity >that came with my Mac II. Does anyone know why Apple changed the size of the >mouse ball? To be obnoxious? Possibly. I bought the 360 too, and had to return it after struggling to get the damn ball to fit into the cavity (almost smashed the damn thing). > > I also have some flames about the new ADB mice. They suck compared to >an old Mac Plus mouse with special teflon feet (my MacII's mouse teflon looks >like it was sprayed on and will come off any minute). Also the ball sheds like >a #$&(#$&!! I have had to clean it twice in about 3 weeks (note that I am >working in a relatively clean environment, on a slick plastic mouse pad, sans >cats)! I cleaned my Mac+'s rollers about once every 3 or 4 months... I had the same exact experiences. In fact I wrote to Apple twice on this issue- it's the thing that's got me most upset about my Mac II. First the mouse came prepackaged with a whole load of grit on it! It often refused to respond to my actions at all (esp when you are trying to drag it after making a selection). I also use a fast pad. It took me a few cleaning sessions before it became dirt free, but in a matter of days it got dirty again. But the lowpoint was when I compared the new mouse to those found in the SE (I had a couple at home then). They have the same basic ADB mouse design as the II, except that the cavity is larger (as in the +), the ball heavier and not sticky, the inside rollers are 2 steel and one plastic (as opposed to little spindly plastic ones in the II), and the teflon feet is also far superior. In fact my cover doesn't even fit properly. I noticed too that compared to the SE's mouse, mine has a seemingly more fragile and unnecessarily complicated construction around the cavity. The button sucks too- really stiff. > >... I guess >they don't build things like they used to... Of course not, when you start making them in Taiwan (they used to be made here). It's not that I object to cheaper costs, it's the lower quality for higher profits that I dislike. It's all very well if the imported mouse had the same performance as the old one, but it's clearly inferior. I thought at first mine was defective, but I guess it's the new standard. It has certainly impaired my ability to improve upon my Crystal Quest scores :-). And someone says that Apple charges over $100 for a replacement. What a laugh! I am seriously looking at the A+ optical mouse. ---Himawan Gunadhi ARPA: phgun@violet.berkeley.edu UUCP: ...!ucbvax!jade!violet!phgun BITNET: phgun@ucbviolet.bitnet
denbeste@bgsuvax.UUCP (William C. DenBesten) (07/22/88)
From article <12383@agate.BERKELEY.EDU>, by phgun@violet.berkeley.edu (Himawan GUNADHI): > But the lowpoint was when I compared the new mouse to > those found in the SE (I had a couple at home then). > They have the same basic ADB mouse design as the II, > except that the cavity is larger (as in the +), the ball heavier > and not sticky, the inside rollers are 2 steel and one plastic (as > opposed to little spindly plastic ones in the II), and the teflon > feet is also far superior. In fact my cover doesn't even fit > properly. I noticed too that compared to the SE's mouse, mine has > a seemingly more fragile and unnecessarily complicated construction > around the cavity. The button sucks too- really stiff. It isn't that simple. 2 months ago, I got a mac II with the heavy mouse. Earlier this week, I got in 16 Mac SEs. Some of them had the heavy mouse, and some had the light mice. -- William C. DenBesten | denbeste@bgsu.edu Dept of Computer Science | CSNET denbeste%andy.bgsu.edu@relay.cs.net Bowling Green State University | UUCP ...!cbosgd!osu-cis!bgsuvax!denbeste Bowling Green, OH 43403-0214 |
wb1j+@andrew.cmu.edu (William M. Bumgarner) (07/25/88)
>> I also have some flames about the new ADB mice. They suck compared to >> an old Mac Plus mouse with special teflon feet (my MacII's mouse teflon looks >> like it was sprayed on and will come off any minute). Also the ball sheds like >> a #$&(#$&!! I have had to clean it twice in about 3 weeks (note that I am >> working in a relatively clean environment, on a slick plastic mouse pad, sans >> cats)! I cleaned my Mac+'s rollers about once every 3 or 4 months...I guess >> they don't build things like they used to... You could always get one of the adapters that let you connect a plus mouse to ADB or vice versa. B.Bum +-----------------------------+--------------------------------------+ | Bill Bumgarner | EMail: wb1j+@andrew.cmu.edu | | Carnegie-Mellon University | | +-----------------------------+--------------------------------------+ | The box is ugly on a non mono-spaced font system. | +--------------------------------------------------------------------+
wiedmann@eos.UUCP (Christian Wiedmann) (07/26/88)
Isn't that black gunk that builds up on the rollers the same gunk which you find on steering wheels on cars and other places which come in contact with hands extensively? My theory is that if your mouse using style doesn't include resting your hand on the desk while you slide, your mouse will stay cleaner. The gunk is simply skin flakes, grease, and sweat compacted into an appetizing paste by the mouse roller:-). In other words, maybe the smaller mouse just makes you rest more of your hand on the desk, causing greater gunk buildup. -Christian -- ARPANet:wiedmann@eos.arc.nasa.gov UUCP: who knows!eos!wiedmann Disclaimer: These opinions are mine, only mine, and completely mine.
rdsesq@Jessica.stanford.edu (Rob Snevely) (07/26/88)
For those of you that are sick to death of cleaning mice. FELIX! by lightgate is excellent. It is a optical input device that is sealed no need to clean. It takes up less desk space and is excellent. It is already out for the 512 and Plus. The ADB ver should be out soon. for a review check out MACUSER Desktop enginerring issue. I used on on my DOS machine and it was excellent and cannot wait for the adb to hook up to my MAC. rob snevely (rdsesq@jessica.stanford.edu)