srchbgm@cmv.dsir.govt.nz (07/25/88)
HI, has anyone out there attached a Lazer writer directly to the printer
port of their MAC Plus? I do not wish to purchase the APPLE Talk hardware
but instead connect directly to the printer.
If a single cable connection is possible will applications packages
write directly to the printer if I make the appropriate CHOOSER settings or do
I have to create a Postscript file and transfer it to the printer using a
file transfer utility. What are the appropriate CHOOSER setting for such a
configuration?
I would like to know the following pin cabling connections so that the
following cables can be constructed.
Mini 8 to 25 pin RS232
Mini 8 to 9 pin RS422
Regards Bruce Muschamp. SRCHBGM%CMV%VUWCOMP@UUNET.UU.NET ( Bit net)
SRCHBGM%CMV.DSIR.GOVT.NZ@UUNET.UU.NET (Internet)alexis@dasys1.UUCP (Alexis Rosen) (07/26/88)
In article <290@cmv.dsir.govt.nz> srchbgm@cmv.dsir.govt.nz writes: >HI, has anyone out there attached a Lazer writer directly to the printer >port of their MAC Plus? [etc. And, will the chooser work right?] A direct connection between the two works just like a two-node network. NO CHANGES are needed in the chooser or anywhere else. > I would like to know the following pin cabling connections so that the >following cables can be constructed. > > Mini 8 to 25 pin RS232 > Mini 8 to 9 pin RS422 Don't remember offhand, but I do know that the Mini DIN-8 plugs are described in Inside Mac IV. The DB9 is described in Inside Mac III. Since the Mac Plus has a DIN8 and the Laserwriter a DB9 (the LW IIs have mini DIN8s also), why would you want a DB25 pinout? If you're looking at the DB25 on the LW, forget it. It's not useful to you. ---- Alexis Rosen {allegra,philabs,cmcl2}!phri\ Writing from {harpo,cmcl2}!cucard!dasys1!alexis The Big Electric Cat {portal,well,sun}!hoptoad/ Public UNIX if mail fails: ...cmcl2!cucard!cunixc!abr1 Best path: uunet!dasys1!alexis
Mark_Peter_Cookson@cup.portal.com (07/27/88)
You can dirrect connect the laserwriter to any Mac. I don't know what cable you need (I think it is a standard printer cable though), but you have to switch the switch on the laserwriter (I don't have one, so I don't know it says, I think it is the middle position). There is an article in MacWorld that tells how to do it (I think it is in a question and answer section). I will try and find it, but you might also try and look for it as I am not too good at finding back articles. I would guess that all you have to do in the chooser is select the LaserWriter and the right port and make sure that AppleTalk is off (if you don't have AppleTalk). Mark Cookson
blknowle@uokmax.UUCP (Bradford L Knowles) (07/28/88)
In article <290@cmv.dsir.govt.nz> srchbgm@cmv.dsir.govt.nz writes: >HI, has anyone out there attached a Lazer writer directly to the printer >port of their MAC Plus? I do not wish to purchase the APPLE Talk hardware >but instead connect directly to the printer. > [stuff deleted about "if I can do this, what more info do I need..."] Bruce, as far as I know, there is no way you can do this feasibly. One of the primary reasons LocalTalk (used to be "AppleTalk") is the single most common LAN in the world is the fact that to hook up to a LaserWriter requires the shortest LAN known to man -- a single cable going between two LocalTalk connectors, one on your Mac, one on the LaserWriter. PERHAPS you could fiddle around with using it through the serial ports, but this would be very non-standard, you would have to write all your own drivers for it, etc... This is why everybody who hooks up to a LaserWriter uses LocalTalk. Sorry to burst your bubble (and make your wallet scream in agony...) >Regards Bruce Muschamp. SRCHBGM%CMV%VUWCOMP@UUNET.UU.NET ( Bit net) > SRCHBGM%CMV.DSIR.GOVT.NZ@UUNET.UU.NET (Internet) Nice to meecha! -Brad Knowles UUCP: ...!ihnp4!occrsh!uokmax!blknowle ARPA: blknowle@uokmax.ecn.uoknor.edu SNAIL: 1013 Mobile Circle Norman, OK 73071-2522 Disclaimer: (The above opinions are my own. They have nothing to do with the Univeristy of Oklahoma nor intelligance of any sort. :-)
erics@eleazar.dartmouth.edu (Eric Schlegel) (07/28/88)
>In article <290@cmv.dsir.govt.nz> srchbgm@cmv.dsir.govt.nz writes: >>HI, has anyone out there attached a Lazer writer directly to the printer >>port of their MAC Plus? I do not wish to purchase the APPLE Talk hardware >>but instead connect directly to the printer. > >> [stuff deleted about "if I can do this, what more info do I need..."] I don't know about Mac->LaserWriter, but I do know that if you take an ordinary ImageWriter printer cable and connect it between the two serial ports of two Macs, the Macs are completely happy and can communicate using AppleTalk over the printer cable. If the LaserWriter has the same kind of port as a serial port on a Mac, I suspect you can do the same thing. Hope this helps. Eric ------ Eric Schlegel | DISCLAIMER: I'm just a poor college student, eric.schlegel@dartmouth.edu | which means I'm not responsible for what I | say and I can't pay you if you sue me anyway.
psych@watdcsu.waterloo.edu (R.Crispin - Psychology) (07/28/88)
You can hook the laser to the mac with a cable that goes from the printer port on the mac to the laser. This subsitutes for the localtalk stuff that apple sells. You do not need to buy the stuff if you are connecting directly. For a Mac Plus to a LWII NT or LWII NTX the standard mini din peripheral cable should work. I have not tried this one. For a Mac Plus to a LW or LW+ the following cable should work. MINI DIN 8 =====> DB9 2->7, 3->9, 4->1, 5->5, 6->8, 8->4 An alternative to the above for Mac+ to LW or LW+ is to get the Apple DB9 female to Mini DIN 8 adapter (M0199) and make a DB9 To DB9 cable connected as follows: 1->1, 3->3, 4->8, 5->9, 7->7, 8->4, 9->5 Its been awhile since I played with this but I am pretty sure everything here is correct. Richard Crispin Dept. of Psychology Bitnet: psych@watdcs University of Waterloo Unix : psych@watdcsu.UWaterloo.ca Waterloo, Ont. Canada N2L 3G1 (519)885-1211 ext 2879
sbb@esquire.UUCP (Stephen B. Baumgarten) (07/28/88)
In article <1655@uokmax.UUCP> blknowle@uokmax.UUCP (Bradford L Knowles) writes: >In article <290@cmv.dsir.govt.nz> srchbgm@cmv.dsir.govt.nz writes: >>HI, has anyone out there attached a Lazer writer directly to the printer >>port of their MAC Plus? I do not wish to purchase the APPLE Talk hardware >>but instead connect directly to the printer. > >> [stuff deleted about "if I can do this, what more info do I need..."] > >Bruce, as far as I know, there is no way you can do this feasibly. APDA offers the "Asynch LaserWriter Driver", which I believe will do what you want (i.e., hang the LaserWriter off the printer/serial port as if it were an Imagewriter). Whether it is completely compatible with stuff like PageMaker (that has its own prep file) is not clear. Also whether Apple will support it more than 6 months into the future. But it might be worth finding out about. -- Steve Baumgarten | "New York... when civilization falls apart, Davis Polk & Wardwell | remember, we were way ahead of you." {uunet,cmcl2}!esquire!sbb | - David Letterman
dwb@Apple.COM (David W. Berry) (07/29/88)
In article <1655@uokmax.UUCP> blknowle@uokmax.UUCP (Bradford L Knowles) writes: >In article <290@cmv.dsir.govt.nz> srchbgm@cmv.dsir.govt.nz writes: >>HI, has anyone out there attached a Lazer writer directly to the printer >>port of their MAC Plus? I do not wish to purchase the APPLE Talk hardware >>but instead connect directly to the printer. > >> [stuff deleted about "if I can do this, what more info do I need..."] > >Bruce, as far as I know, there is no way you can do this feasibly. >One of the primary reasons LocalTalk (used to be "AppleTalk") is the >single most common LAN in the world is the fact that to hook up to a >LaserWriter requires the shortest LAN known to man -- a single cable >going between two LocalTalk connectors, one on your Mac, one on the >LaserWriter. PERHAPS you could fiddle around with using it through >the serial ports, but this would be very non-standard, you would have >to write all your own drivers for it, etc... This is why everybody >who hooks up to a LaserWriter uses LocalTalk. Sigh. One last time, just to burst all the bubbles of the naysayers who claim it can't be done. If you just want to connect a single macintosh (of any variety) to a single LaserWriter (of any variety but IISC) you can take an appropriate cable and connect the two, without putting LocalTalk cabling in. For a Mac Plus and newer you get an Imagewriter I printer cable appropriate for your machine and go. Configure the LaserWriter for AppleTalk. This also works to connect two macintoshes back to back over AppleTalk. The only real problem is that you may have reliability problems if you use too much cable. 10' is just fine. > >Sorry to burst your bubble (and make your wallet scream in agony...) > >>Regards Bruce Muschamp. SRCHBGM%CMV%VUWCOMP@UUNET.UU.NET ( Bit net) >> SRCHBGM%CMV.DSIR.GOVT.NZ@UUNET.UU.NET (Internet) > >Nice to meecha! > >-Brad Knowles > >UUCP: ...!ihnp4!occrsh!uokmax!blknowle ARPA: blknowle@uokmax.ecn.uoknor.edu >SNAIL: 1013 Mobile Circle > Norman, OK 73071-2522 > >Disclaimer: (The above opinions are my own. They have nothing to do with the > Univeristy of Oklahoma nor intelligance of any sort. :-) Opinions: MINE, ALL MINE! (greedy evil chuckle) David W. Berry apple!dwb@sun.com dwb@apple.com 973-5168@408.MaBell
dorourke@polyslo.UUCP (David M. O'Rourke) (07/30/88)
Some questions:
1) Why worry about direct connecting a LaserWriter at all? I mean just because
you're using AppleTalk doesn't mean you have to use the network. Connecting
laserWriter to a single mac via appletalk is essentially a direct connection.
2) How are you going to print to it. The LaserWriter drive *ASSUMES* the laser
printer is on AppleTalk, and if there is a way to change this {I'm positive
there isn't} I'd bet it's not easy. So if you could get the LaserWriter
connected how would you use it???
3) There's no point. It will work with no problems what so ever on A-Talk why
try and be diffferent, I mean the cables only cost about $50.00, if you can
afford a LaserPrinter and then can't afford the $50.00 buck to hook it up
well I'll be happy to take that nasty laser printer off your hands for you.
David
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David M. O'Rourke dorourke@polyslo.calpoly.edu
"If it doesn't do Windows, then it's not a computer!!!"
Disclaimer: I don't represent the school. All opinions are mine!dudevoir@bernoulli.Stanford.EDU (Glen P. Dudevoir) (08/06/88)
This is really quite a simple problem. Appletalk is a 2 wire network.
The Appletalk boxes that cost you $50 from Apple inductively couple
couple both the transmit (two wires) and receive (two wires) to the
single pair in Appletalk. All you need to do is connect the
transmit of the laserwriter to the receive on the Mac(512e,plus,II) and
vice versa. Both the Mac and the laserwriter are wired as DTE,
ie they transmit and receive on the same pairs. It actually only
takes three wires to make the cable work, use RxD-, TxD- and Gnd.
The pinout for the connectors is below:
DB-9 (Mac 512, LW LW+) Din-8 (Mac+,SE,II LW SC,NT,NTX)
---------------------- ------------------------------
pin signal pin signal
1 Gnd 4 Gnd
3 Gnd
5 TxD- 5 RxD-
9 RxD- 3 TxD-
This type of cable is generally known as a null modem.
In this case there is no need to include the other modem signals
like DTR or CTS.
Please excuse any terminology errors with regard to the difference
between appletalk and localtalk. I can't keep straight which is
the software and which is the hardware. You must make sure that
you are using the appletalk port on both the mac(printer port)
and the laserwriter(db-9 for LW,LW+ and din-8 for LW SC,NT,NTX).
I guarantee that it works. We have an SE connected to a LW+ and a
MACII connected to an NT in this manner.
Glen