dan@srs.UUCP (Dan Kegel) (08/06/88)
I recently asked the net for info about networking for the Mac SE, and
recieved many helpful responses.
There seem to be only two systems that let plain old Mac programs transparantly
access files on a remote Unix fileserver:
1. TOPS, a proprietary network file system developed independantly
and later purchased by Sun; this has been available for some time.
The only Unix box that TOPS currently runs on is the Sun-3.
Either LocalTalk or Ethernet may be used to connect the Macs to the Sun.
TOPS phone number is (800) 445-8677 or (415) 769-8700.
System cost:
Software:
TOPS server on Sun ($900 for 1-4 clients, $1600 for 1-16 clients)
TOPS client on Mac ($250 per client)
Hardware:
using LocalTalk: $50 per client + $2000 for the Kinetics Fastpath bridge
using EtherTalk: $600 per client
2. Cayman Systems' Gatorbox, an NFS (Ethernet) to AFP (LocalTalk) bridge;
the box and software sell for $3495, and takes about 6 weeks to get.
The Unix box must be running NFS (and most can; many are shipped with it).
It links up to 32 Macs running Apple's network (AFP on LocalTalk) to
a standard Ethernet network.
Cayman Systems' phone number is (617) 494-1999.
System cost:
$50 per client (for LocalTalk cable) + $3500 for the Gatorbox bridge
Other NFS systems, rumored but not currently available, are
3. University of Michgan had a client version of NFS for the Mac at last
years Sun Connectathon. Don't think they ever fielded it.
4. Peter Honeyman (one of the authors of HoneyDanBer uucp?) led a project
that put tcp/ip and NFS on Macs, under contract to Apple.
Apple has the software now; it's unclear when if ever they will release it.
LocalTalk is Apple's 200 kilobit/sec serial networking hardware, which
is quite slow compared with the 10 Megabit/sec Ethernet;
one might therefore expect to be able to connect up only five or ten Macs
per LocalTalk bus before seeing degradation, as opposed to fifty or so on an
Ethernet bus. (I've never tried it, so I dunno.)
There are also systems available that let TCP/IP aware programs communicate
with other machines on an Ethernet; this isn't as nice as transparant file
access, but it can be pretty darn useful.
1. Kinetics sells Ethernet boards for all versions of the Macintosh; it
also sells a TCP/IP (Ethernet) to TCP/IP (Appletalk) bridge.
2. NCSA maintains a professional-looking TELNET package for the PC and the Mac
which supports remote login, multiple VT102 emulation, Tek 4014 emulation,
subnetting, and dynamic IP address assignment via RARP.
I think this is shipped with Kinetics equipment.
It is available for anonymous FTP over the Darpanet from
ftp.ncsa.uiuc.edu (128.174.20.50). Contacts listed on their blurb:
Tim Krauskopf timk@ncsa.uiuc.edu (ARPA)
Gaige B. Paulsen gaige@ncsa.uiuc.edu
National Center for Supercomputing Applications (NCSA)
University of Illinois, Urbana-Champaign
3. Either Stanford or Columbia maintain something called KIP and CAP
which seems to be another TCP/IP package; NCSA would know more about it.
4. Phil Karn's KA9Q package is another (public-domain?) TCP/IP implementation.
Thanks to everybody who replied. I'm still looking for something that
supports NFS over Ethernet right to the Mac...
--
Dan Kegel "We had to get it passed before the columnists attacked!"
srs!dan@cs.rochester.edu rochester!srs!dan dan%srs.uucp@harvard.harvard.eduwinter@Apple.COM (Patty Winter) (08/06/88)
In article <944@srs.UUCP> srs!dan@cs.rochester.edu (Dan Kegel) writes: > >4. Phil Karn's KA9Q package is another (public-domain?) TCP/IP implementation. ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ For amateur radio and university research uses, yes. Otherwise, no. Patty ============================================================================= Patty Winter N6BIS DOMAIN: winter@apple.com AMPR.ORG: [44.4.0.44] UUCP: {decwrl,nsc,sun}!apple!winter =============================================================================
root@sbcs.sunysb.edu (root) (08/06/88)
This is a bit tangential an answer to the original question "Who has NFS on MacOS?". For small machines there are NFS implementations available for both the IBM PC and Amiga. Sun sells PC-NFS for the IBM PC - package price is ~$900. Ameristar Technology sells NFS for the Amiga - package cost also $900. Since part of my time is spent at Ameristar, I'll allow myself the luxury of giving their phone number: (516) 698-0834. You probably already know how to contact Sun anyways :-). Rick Spanbauer Ameristar Technology PS. I would like to hear from anyone who has a Gator Box.
falken@caen.engin.umich.edu (David R Falkenburg) (08/09/88)
In article <944@srs.UUCP>, dan@srs.UUCP (Dan Kegel) writes: > 3. University of Michgan had a client version of NFS for the Mac at last > years Sun Connectathon. Don't think they ever fielded it. > > 4. Peter Honeyman (one of the authors of HoneyDanBer uucp?) led a project > that put tcp/ip and NFS on Macs, under contract to Apple. > Apple has the software now; it's unclear when if ever they will release it. Here at university of michigan, we had been using (testing, etc.) the CITI MacNFS. Both 3 & 4 were the same project-- Honeyman was project manager for both MacIP and MacNFS. both products are now in apple's hands. ALSO didn't anybody mention CAP (specifically AUFS)? it allows the unix box to act as an appleshare file server with the advent of System 6.0's inclusion of AppleShare Client this is a mostly free (with the exception of the kbox) alternative to systems like tops. -dave falkenburg university of michigan computer aided engineering network falken@caen.umich.edu umix!caen.engin.umich.edu!falken
karn@thumper.bellcore.com (Phil R. Karn) (08/11/88)
There has apparently been some confusion regarding the status of my TCP/IP package. As it very clearly states when you bring it up, it is copyrighted by myself. Although I have granted to noncommercial users (including university and amateur radio groups) the right to use, copy and modify it for free, this does not in any way diminish my other rights under copyright, nor does it place the package into the public domain. I am well aware that my policy of openly publishing my sources makes it much harder, as a practical matter, to keep commercial users from abusing my copyright restriction. It has also probably diminished the commercial value of the software. However, very early on I decided that, despite this risk, open publication was essential to maximize the benefit to the amateur radio community for which the package is primarily intended. Although most of the code in the package is by myself, certain sections have been contributed by other amateurs with the same understanding: free for noncommercial use only. The authors of these sections are identified by comments in their respective source files. I ask others to respect the wishes of myself and the other authors in this matter. Thank you. Phil Karn, KA9Q
minshall@kinetics.UUCP (Greg Minshall) (08/14/88)
Just to add a bit to the list, Kinetics has recently announced a "TCPort Toolkit", which includes TCP/IP support for the Mac (installed as drivers) and a programming library to interface to the drivers (and a "socket emulation" library). It isn't available until October or so (I haven't seen the announcement). (In addition, there is a separate product with telnet, ftp, etc.) Greg Minshall Kinetics ...ucbvax!mtxinu!kinetics!minshall (415)947-0998