rsharpe@flinders.cs.flinders.oz (Richard Sharpe) (08/25/88)
Folks, I need some information about Rodime disks and how compatible they are with Quantum disks etc. I have to investigate whether or not we can put A/UX onto a Rodime disk. Please ignore the licencing issues for the moment (ie, Apple only sell A/UX on an 80MB Quantum, as we are sorting those out). The manuals on the Rodimes say that they are fully compatible with the Apple HFS OS. Can anyone tell me what that means? Where are the device drivers for Mac disks kept? On the disk? Would anyone know whether it is possible to get A/UX to use a Rodime? How would you go about partitioning a Rodime? How would you create a swap partiton on a Rodime? The A/UX documentation I have does not discuss this point. Regards Richard Sharpe PS, please note, I am not employed by Flinders University, I just have a guest account on one of their hosts.
Mark_Peter_Cookson@cup.portal.com (08/28/88)
I know that you can't initilize a Rodime drive under System 6.0 (wants to be a floppy). I don't know what software you would use to partition it. You might try HD partition from Symantec. The Jasmine drives, however, come with both SUM and their own software that they say follows Apple's rules about partitioning to the letter and will work perfectly with A/UX. Hopefully this answers some of your questions.... Mark Cookson
jcc@ut-emx.UUCP (Chris Cooley) (08/29/88)
In article <8498@cup.portal.com>, Mark_Peter_Cookson@cup.portal.com writes: > I know that you can't initilize a Rodime drive under System 6.0 (wants to be > a floppy). I don't know what software you would use to partition it. You > might try HD partition from Symantec. The Jasmine drives, however, come > with both SUM and their own software that they say follows Apple's rules about > partitioning to the letter and will work perfectly with A/UX. > I'll be buying a hard disk sometime in the near future and would like to know the best buy. I was planning on purchasing Rodime, since I heard that they behaved nicely under control of Apple's drivers. Now it appears that 6.0 just thwarted those plans. I need a drive that's solid (good-quality), around 50 MBytes, and partitionable. Any suggestions? Email is welcome, but since I read this group regularly, I'll see it if you post. I'll summarize responses. --chris -- -- J. Chris Cooley | husc6! -\ Computation. Center (COM 1) | im4u! -->-cs.utexas.edu!ut-emx!jcc Univ. of Texas at Austin | uunet! -/ Austin, TX 78712 |
falken@caen.engin.umich.edu (David R Falkenburg) (08/29/88)
In article <8498@cup.portal.com>, Mark_Peter_Cookson@cup.portal.com writes: > I know that you can't initilize a Rodime drive under System 6.0 (wants to be > a floppy). I don't know what software you would use to partition it. You > might try HD partition from Symantec. The Jasmine drives, however, come > with both SUM and their own software that they say follows Apple's rules about > partitioning to the letter and will work perfectly with A/UX. > > Mark Cookson At MacWorld in Boston, Rodime promised some changes for their software. A new version 2.0 driver is going thgrough testing right now (i'm running a beta on my 1400RX) which supports Inisde Mac volume V format scheme and faster data transfers. The driver improves the access times slightly (to about 25 msec). True partitioning should be out sometime this fall SUM's partitioning (as well as FWB software's Partitioner) uses a "fake" partitioning scheme which utilizes an invisible (and sometimes encrypted) file as a files system. It does not use the standard partitioning scheme outlined in Inside Mac volume V (the stuff required for A/UX compatibilty) My opinions are my own, not those of the university of michigan (i don't work for Rodmie either) -dave falkenburg university of michigan computer aided engineering network Internet: falken@caen.umich.edu UUCP: umix!caen.engin.umich.edu!falken
falken@caen.engin.umich.edu (David R Falkenburg) (08/30/88)
In article <5511@ut-emx.UUCP>, jcc@ut-emx.UUCP (Chris Cooley) writes: > I was planning on purchasing Rodime, since I heard > that they behaved nicely under control of Apple's drivers. Now it appears > that 6.0 just thwarted those plans. > --chris The new Rodime driver now lets you run format under system 6.0. The problem was that the driver code did not implement the necessary control codes to return info on the device. The new 2.0 version does support system 6.0. The old driver runs fine under system 6.0 EXCEPT if you try to do a high level format via Erase Disk-- it used to ask whether or not you wanted to format your Rodime as single or double sided (!) My opinions are my own, not my employers. etc. etc. etc. -dave falkenburg university of michigan computer aided engineering network Internet: falken@caen.umich.edu UUCP: umix!caen.engin.umich.edu!falken
Mark_Peter_Cookson@cup.portal.com (09/02/88)
I would check out a Jasmine drive, they are good, cheap, and the partitions are bootable, real SCSI partitions, and A/UX compatable. Mark Cookson
Mark_Peter_Cookson@cup.portal.com (09/02/88)
The best partitioning software I have seen is from Jasmine, but it only works on their drives.... Bummer. Mark Cookson
sysop@stech.UUCP (Jan Harrington) (09/03/88)
in article <5511@ut-emx.UUCP>, jcc@ut-emx.UUCP (Chris Cooley) says: > Posted: Mon Aug 29 08:34:41 1988 > > In article <8498@cup.portal.com>, Mark_Peter_Cookson@cup.portal.com writes: >> I know that you can't initilize a Rodime drive under System 6.0 (wants to be >> a floppy). I don't know what software you would use to partition it. You > > I need a drive that's solid (good-quality), around 50 MBytes, and > partitionable. > > Any suggestions? I can highly recommend Jasmine drives. They are fast, reliable, and extremely reasonably priced. You won't find discounts on them, simply because the list price isn't inflated. For example, I recently paid $1249 for a 100 meg external drive. The software that comes with the Jasmine drives is excellent, though I had to trash the public domain staff when I repartionned (there wasn't enough room on my internal hard drive to save the entire 8 or 9 meg of stuff that was on the Jasmine drive). I used Jasmine's "driveware" to manage the partions; it's easy to use. I'm also thrilled that the Symantic Utilities are included. Jan Harrington, sysop Scholastech Telecommunications UUCP: husc6!amcad!stech!sysop or allegra!stech!sysop BITNET: JHARRY@BENTLEY ******************************************************************************** Miscellaneous profundity: "No matter where you go, there you are." Buckaroo Banzai ********************************************************************************
hammen@csd4.milw.wisc.edu (Robert Joseph Hammen) (09/06/88)
In article <653@stech.UUCP> sysop@stech.UUCP (Jan Harrington) writes: >I can highly recommend Jasmine drives. They are fast, reliable, and >extremely reasonably priced. You won't find discounts on them, simply >because the list price isn't inflated. For example, I recently paid >$1249 for a 100 meg external drive. ... >The software that comes with the Jasmine drives is excellent, though >I had to trash the public domain staff when I repartionned (there wasn't >enough room on my internal hard drive to save the entire 8 or 9 meg of >stuff that was on the Jasmine drive). I used Jasmine's "driveware" to >manage the partions; it's easy to use. I'm also thrilled that the >Symantic Utilities are included. I have a Jasmine InnerDrive 140 for my Mac II and have been generally pleased with the speed and reliability of the hardware (it's a Rodime mechanism, like most of the drives that Jasmine is now using). The manuals that come with the drive are pretty good, and the demo software and utilities (Redux and SUM) are pretty good. However, I have had nothing but problems with Jasmine's DriveWare. I got version 1.02 with my drive, and version 1.06 from another InnerDrive I purchased for work (and had to return later on). First of all, I kept on getting mysterious crashes (mostly ID=01 and ID=25) in otherwise stable applications and DA's (Acta, PageMaker 3.0, and VersaTerm - this is all with System 4.2, Finder 6.0, and Suitcase and the SUM inits present). Secondly, any attempt to run Apple's Disk First Aid software resulted in an instant crash. Finally, any attempt to run Adobe Illustrator 88 (I have version 1.6, but I know 1.7 is out) would also result in an instant crash. Naturally, I was a bit concerned about this, and called Jasmine tech support. My problems with Disk First Aid were known, but not documented. "Apple doesn't support our method of disk partitioning." The Illustrator problem was also documented, and Jasmine blamed the folks at Adobe for the problem. They were surprised that I was having any other problems. So, thinking that perhaps the disk was corrupted, I reformatted it with the 1.06 software (I'd already tried updating the driver before, with no improvement). It still didn't help. I was frustrated that I could use the same applications on an external Direct Drive 80, but if I copied the contents of that disk to the Mac II and then ran from that disk, BOOM!!! On the verge of sending the drive back (I'd already done so with the drive I had ordered for work - since we're a desktop publishing service bureau, we can't afford not to run Illustrator), I formatted the drive with the CMS SCSI software for >100MB drives (it's available on GEnie, and the version that's up there works with System 6.0). It now works perfectly, although the DiskTimer II numbers aren't as good with the CMS utility as with the Jasmine stuff ( (the results were something like 28 reads, 28 writes, 7 access with driveware a and 28:80:8 for the CMS utility). I have no idea of the legality of what I've done, and take no responsibility if you do this and lose data. DO THIS AT YOUR OWN RISK! One of these days I should contact CMS... (interesting sidenote: Nuvo Labs, who write SCSI drivers for many different companies including CMS, is suing Jasmine. It appears that Mr. Arthur Britto, who used to work for Nuvo Labs, now works for Jasmine, and Nuvo is claiming that he took proprietary information with him to Jasmine, information used in their DriveWare software). I've also heard that LaCie's Silver Lining SCSI driver software works with the Jasmine drives, and can be purchased to use with other drives. I'm investigating this option; if anyone has good/bad comments on their driver software, contact me at one of the addresses below. Robert /////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////// / Robert Hammen Web Tech, Inc. hammen@csd4.milw.wisc.edu / / Delphi: HAMMEN GEnie: R.Hammen CI$: 70701,2104 / ///////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////