jallred@bbn.com (John Allred) (07/11/88)
Gentlepeople: I'm in the final stages of ordering an SE for my own personal use. The only option left to choose is the hard disk. So, my question for the net is "Which one do you recommend that I choose?". Any good or bad experiences with any particular manufacturer's drive? My research has yielded the following info -- 1. All 20 meg drives are slow (access time == 65 ms). Many manufacturers aren't building them anymore. 2. It lookes like you need to go to at least 40 Meg before things get fast (29 ms for the Hyperdrive FI/40). However, I can't image needing more that 20 meg worth of online disk storage. Please respond (via email) quickly, as I have to make a decision by Tuesday (7/12). Thanks in advance. I'll summarize the results. ____ John Allred BBN Laboratories, Inc (jallred@bbn.com) "What the President meant to say ..."
tedj@hpcilzb.HP.COM (Ted Johnson) (07/11/88)
>However, I can't >image needing more that 20 meg worth of online disk storage. Surely you jest! I have a SE HD 20 and 300 diskettes full of rarely used programs. Maybe if they could fit on my hard disk I would use them more often.... -Ted
Mark_Peter_Cookson@cup.portal.com (07/13/88)
I have 40 meg and am getting a 120 meg drive soon, my friend has 220 meg, and he only has 31 meg free now. I would plan on 40 or more. Since applications keep on getting bigger (PageMaker 3.0 has to be joined together since it is 880K, and those Hypercard stacks! Whew! 10 meg for one 33,000 card stack!). Remember, anything worth doing is worth overdoing! And bigger is always better. Mark Cookson
wb1j+@andrew.cmu.edu (William M. Bumgarner) (07/22/88)
>However, I can't >image needing more that 20 meg worth of online disk storage. I currently have a Jamine DD80 (80 meg external HD). 72 megs used. When I get my Mac II, I'm getting at least 150 megs... that should hold for a few months.... B.Bum No matter how much disk space you have, it isn't enough.
lim@cwlim.CWRU.EDU (Hock Koon Lim) (10/01/88)
I am planning to buy a Hard disk for my Mac SE with 2 disk drives.
I would like to buy an internal hard drive so it is easier to carry the
mac around. These are the questions that I would like to know:
1. I believe that the internal hard drive will get the power
supply from mac. Since Mac SE can work with 110v to 230v
power supply without a transformer,I should not run into
problem with my hard disk when I work with 220v power source.
Is this a right reasoning?
2. Mac SE have only one expansion slot. Can an internal hard drive be
able to connect it to the SCCI port instead of the expansion slot.
I want to reserve the slot for memory expansion. Is there a way to
do that?
3. I don't plan to remove one of the two disk drives from the mac that
I have. I know there are some hard drives can do that. Can someone
suggests the internal hard drive that is used with this
configuration?
Please reply me directly with the information about the best price of the
hard drive (~40M) and where I can get it.
Thanks a lot.
Hock Koon Lim, A. R. Jennings Computing Center
Case Western Reserve University; Cleveland, Ohio, USA 44106
(216) 368-2982 lim@cwlim.cwru.edulevin@bbn.com (Joel B Levin) (10/01/88)
I have a slightly different question about internal hard disks for
SEs. Some internal hard disks are meant to fit behind the upper
floppy so you may install it and keep both floppies. I already have
an SE with an Apple HD20 (also the official fan upgrade). My question
is -- can one of these internal disks fit in with the existing hard
disk? Is there any problem hooking the new disk into the SCSI chain?
/JBL
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INTERNET: levin@bbn.comrmf1992@uxf.cso.uiuc.edu (10/02/88)
First, the HD connects to the SCSI (no such thing as SCCI), not to the expansion slot. Next, memory upgrades go into the SIMMs, not the expansion slot. About the only thing that actually connects to the slot are color monitor cards, accelerators, and co-processors. I have a CMS-45 that I am ecstaticly happy about. I have heard bad things abouttheir new drives, but I own one of their older drives. It fits behind the other drives. The apple HD-20 takes up the same amount of room as the floppies so there should be no problem there. Mikey the Moose
parnes@eniac.seas.upenn.edu ( Parnes Gary) (10/08/88)
I had the same problem. I wanted a hard drive for my Mac SE, and I still wanted to keep my floppy internals. There is a company called CMS who usually make IBM compatible hard-drives, but they also make Mac compatible hard drives now. They mount near the inside back of the Mac SE, and they connect to the internal SCSI (nicknamed "scuzzy") port. In fact, they can rig it so that you can have the SCSI port number be 0 through 6. It does not affect the external expansion port (the computer doesn't look any different on the outside after the drive is installed, except that the computer feels a wee bit heavier.) I have the CMS Pro-30 SE internal hard drive (that's it's full name!) Contact CMS or a local retail outlet. I got a great deal on this drive (30-mb with a 35 ms seek speed -- as fast as some IBM compatible hard drives). It cost me about $550 after installation fee (some retailers can be haggled with), and that is a good deal when you compare it to some other places. CMS makes the Pro-SE series of hard-drives solely for the mac SE, and their sizes, offhand, are 20 mb, 30 mb, 45 mb, 60 mb, 80 mb, and 100 mb. All of them automatically park themselves securely at shutdown except for the 20 mb drive. The drive comes complete with support software. Sorry, but I can't answer your question about the power supply. I'm not an electrical engineer... But I do know that these independent companies make much better internal drives than the kludge the Apple company offers. But Apple does make a great computer, don't they... Gary Parnes (University of Pennsylvania)
bob@eecs.nwu.edu (Bob Hablutzel) (10/09/88)
I just thought I'd throw a little support toward my hard disk: the Hardware
House MAX-40. I've got one for my II, and I just convinced a friend to get
one for his two floppy SE. I installed both myself, with very little
trouble. It is quite a tight fit in the SE, however. For $650, as a 16ms
seek drive (12ms with the on-board cache...) it can't be beat. I've been
beating on it for a couple of weeks so far, and no problems. I can't say
more than that, since it's a new drive, but I'm happy.
Bob Hablutzel BOB@NUACC.ACNS.NWU.EDU
Disclaimer: I use Hardware House equipment, but that's about the limit -
No other connection implicated by this note.