t-jacobs@wasatch.UUCP (Tony Jacobs) (10/22/88)
Ever since the new 6.x systems showed up and I started using Font/DA Juggler or Master Juggler I have been experiencing problems with the Finder at various times. The problem only occurs when running under the MulfiFinder and from what I can tell only when the Font/DA-Master Juggler is running. Every once in awhile the Finder will start to choke, you try to launch an application and the Finder restarts. The visual symptoms are that all the windows go away and the Finder comes up fresh again. You try to shutdown and it hangs, you try to restart and the Finder only restarts. In some cases in the past all you had to do is pull down a menu and it would restart the Finder. In all these cases I can launch an application just fine with the Juggler and other utilities and the applications continue to run just fine in their MultiFinder partitions. Now if I reboot the problem is still there. If I reboot and turn the Font/DA- Master Juggler off the problem goes away. After rebooting again and letting the Juggler come up again it works fine too. Only sometime down the road the problem occurs again. I believe when the problem exists that if I reboot and turn off the Mac the problem goes away. I'm pretty sure the Finder isn't corrupted cause I have tried replacing it as well as comparing it against a new Finder. Long ago I thought it was a bad System or MultiFinder and I went through all kinds of permutations and combinations of replacing files. I also use about a dozen INITs. I tried getting rid of them all and putting them back one at a time and that how I discovered the Juggler's problem. It still could be a problem with certain combinations of these INIT's. They are AutoBlack, Appleshare, CPSSavesDeletes, Master Juggler, MenuClock, QuickKeys, SFScroll, SFVol, hierDA, MicroSoft Mail, Sound Master. One situation that seems to freequently cause the problem is calling up the control panel. It will go off and do it's searching for CDEV thing and then about the time it wants to come up it will beep and do nothing. Then no DA will come up which suggests to me that the DA handler is hung up. Opening a DA with the option key works for some DAs in that case. I have normally been able to solve these problems and I'm quite good at tracking down where problems are but this one is a bugger. I thought perhaps it was related to 6.0 system problems but now that I've got 6.02 I don't think so. 6.02 has been very good. Any Ideas? -- Tony Jacobs * Center for Engineering Design * U of U * t-jacobs@ced.utah.edu
ziggy+@andrew.cmu.edu (John Salmento) (10/25/88)
I've had similar problems with Font/DA Juggler Plus and Multifinder. I also use a variety of inits: Vaccine, Disktop, autoblack, and PadLock (partitioning software for my MassMicro drive), and most recently Shield by SUM. My main problem is that the control panel gets very confused and often doesn't open any of the cdev files or it it does I can't close them. Many times I end up having to reboot and I go into an infinite restart and shutdown cycle (the mac reboots, starts up my startup application, then shutdown, and reboots again.) I also get random shutdowns from applications under multifinder. I agree with you that it seems to be Font/Da Juggler fault, because if I get don't start it up thinks seem to work fine. I have also gotten into the habit of not using the control panel under multifinder. I just recently switched to system 6.02 and the infinite shutdown and restart cycle has occurred, but the control panel is still useless under multifinder. If anyone knows anything about these problems or has similar problems, please post it. John Salmento Carnegie Mellon University ziggy+@andrew.cmu.edu
ngg@bridge2.3Com.Com (Norman Goodger) (10/29/88)
Tony Jacobs, since the mailer here does not like many of the addresses attached to the messages here, I'll send this out this way, the problems you describe with the various errors in the finder and using a slew of inits, etc, specifically under MultiFinder sounds like you may need to increase the Finder's partition to greater than the default of 160K. If you've already done this, and its still acts weird, then it maybe an INIT process of elimination to see if one of your INITs is interacting strangely within your setup... -- Norm Goodger SysOp - MacInfo BBS @415-795-8862 3Com Corp. Co-Sysop FreeSoft RT - GEnie. Enterprise Systems Division