rang@cpsin3.cps.msu.edu (Anton Rang) (10/27/88)
Hi...
I'm looking for information on gatewaying Apple Macintoshes (either
SEs or ][s) to an Ethernet with various UNIX boxes (mostly Suns) on
it. I'm sure people out there have had experience with this; what can
you tell me?
Specifically,
1. How easy is it to share UNIX files with Mac users? (say, text files)
2. How easy to share Mac files with UNIX users? If the Mac files
are on a local disk? Appleshare server? UNIX host?
3. Are there text formatters which have compatible formats between
the Mac and UNIX systems? I know TeX is available for the Mac;
can its source files be transferred with no problems?
4. What software is there for "logging in" to a UNIX box from a
Mac? I know it can be done w/Ethertalk cards; how about over
an Appletalk network?
5. Is there any software which provides a "friendly" interface
to UNIX mail, on the Mac?
Thanks for any information. Post only if the information is of
general interest; otherwise, E-mail and I will post a summary.
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| Anton Rang (grad student) | "UNIX: Just Say No!" | "Do worry...be SAD!" |
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+---------------------------+------------------------+----------------------+edmoy@violet.berkeley.edu (10/28/88)
In article <951@cps3xx.UUCP> rang@cpswh.cps.msu.edu (Anton Rang) writes: >Hi... > I'm looking for information on gatewaying Apple Macintoshes (either >SEs or ][s) to an Ethernet with various UNIX boxes (mostly Suns) on >it. I'm sure people out there have had experience with this; what can >you tell me? Here at the computer center at UC Berkeley, we've been using Kinetic's FastPath boxes as gateways from AppleTalk networks to ethernet. We happen to use PhoneNet from Farralon on the Mac side, but any AppleTalk hardware should work. On the FathPath, we use the Kinetic's Internet Protocol code (KIP) and on the unix side we use the Columbia AppleTalk Package (CAP). Both are public domain and available from sumex-aim.stanford.edu via anonymous ftp (cd <info-mac>). > Specifically, > > 1. How easy is it to share UNIX files with Mac users? (say, text files) Using AUFS (AppleShare Unix File Server, part of CAP), text file on Unix appear as TEXT documents (creator UNIX) on the Mac side. You can manipulate them as you would any TEXT file. (The most exciting moment when you first get it working is to mount a Unix volume, and then start editing your .login from you Mac!) AUFS automatically handles the conversion of Mac line terminators (Return) to Unix line terminators (Line Feed). > 2. How easy to share Mac files with UNIX users? If the Mac files > are on a local disk? Appleshare server? UNIX host? It only makes sense to share text files in this case. While many TEXT file formats on the Mac side do have a resource fork as well as a data fork, the AUFS implementation uses two separate files for the forks. Thus, a Unix user could access the data fork side easily. > 3. Are there text formatters which have compatible formats between > the Mac and UNIX systems? I know TeX is available for the Mac; > can its source files be transferred with no problems? My understanding is that TeX is compatible, though the Mac versions allow graphics that is probably incompatible with the Unix version. I've heard there is a version of troff for the Mac, but I don't know anything about it. > 4. What software is there for "logging in" to a UNIX box from a > Mac? I know it can be done w/Ethertalk cards; how about over > an Appletalk network? We use NCSA (National Center for Supercomputing Applications) Telnet. It works quite well for logging into and also has a built-in ftp capability. This ftp will automatically convert Mac line terminators (Return) to Unix line terminators (Line Feed) and vice versa. > 5. Is there any software which provides a "friendly" interface > to UNIX mail, on the Mac? This is what we are currently researching. We'll be looking at QuickMail from CE Software, combined with a product from Star Nine that allows a Unix machine running the CAP stuff to be the postoffice. There is also a public domain mail system that hasn't been released yet from Stanford. Edward Moy Principal Programmer - Macintosh & Unix Workstation Support Services Workstation Software Support Group University of California Berkeley, CA 94720 edmoy@violet.Berkeley.EDU ucbvax!violet!edmoy
mbk@hpsemc.HP.COM (Miles Kehoe) (10/28/88)
Anton: I've seen a product from a company called Mt Xinu (licensed from Sun I believe) that lets you hook Macs over NFS and you can mount directories and such as little mac desktops. Very nice actually. Mt Xinu is in Berkeley, and Sun (of course) is in Mt View. Good luck. Miles
mfi@beach.cis.ufl.edu (Mark Interrante) (11/01/88)
In article <620012@hpsemc.HP.COM> mbk@hpsemc.HP.COM (Miles Kehoe) writes: >Anton: I've seen a product from a company called Mt Xinu (licensed >from Sun I believe) that lets you hook Macs over NFS >and you can mount directories and such as little mac desktops. >Very nice actually. Mt Xinu is in Berkeley, and Sun (of course) >is in Mt View. Good luck. Does anyone have any other information about this product?!? ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- Mark Interrante Software Engineering Research Center mfi@beach.cis.ufl.edu CIS Department, University of Florida 32611 ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- "Imagine what it would be like if TV actually were good. It would be the end of everything we know." Marvin Minsky