rwi@naucse.UUCP (Robert Wier) (11/02/88)
I recently bought Red Ryder 10.3 after having been using
9.2 for years. However, at this point, my mac is running
directly connected to a MicroVax via an RS 232 line at
19.2K (I know, I know, you aren't supposed to do that).
Red 9.2 wouldn't run that fast, which is the reason I
bought the new version.
I generally have been quite disappointed at the 19.2k
performance. It is quite a bit slower at displaying
terminal lines, and doing file transfers that the other
terminal emulators I've used at 19.2K, mainly Kermit
and (even) QVT.
Knowing the Watson software, I'm quite suprised at this. I
wonder if anyone out there has experience with this
configuration, and can tell me if it is normal with RR 10.3?
Or perhaps have I overlooked some menu setting, or maybe
have a bad copy? (It works, just somewhat slowly).
Thanks in advance -
-Bob Wier at Flagstaff, Arizona Northern Arizona University
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known yet to all stations)paul@mit-caf.MIT.EDU (Paul Meyer) (11/02/88)
In article <1000@naucse.UUCP> rwi@naucse.UUCP (Robert Wier) writes: > > I recently bought Red Ryder 10.3 after having been using > I generally have been quite disappointed at the 19.2k Yes, RR is slow. I don't notice it (much!) at 2400, but with 9600 or 19200 direct lines to my VAX you really notice the loss of speed. This is on a MacPlus running 6.01 non-multifinder, and the last pre-6.01 system, also non-multifinder. As a test, I stripped out all inits/CDEVs and anything else I wasn't sure of to see if something else was slowing it down. Nope, it's just slow. My solution: use Kermit. Kermit is much faster, a good vt100 emulation (at least in my experience), although it doesn't have the frills. The biggest two things I miss from RR in kermit are scrolling up to text that has scrolled off the top of the screen, and copying and pasting from the screen. I use RR when i need those features or scripting. Paul Meyer Microsystems Technology Lab MIT
c60a-1cu@e260-1a.berkeley.edu (Drew Dean) (11/02/88)
Personally I found Red Ryder 9.4 dropped characters at 1200 (yes 1200 baud), so for shareware I recommend Miniterm (very fast XMODEM), and I bought VersaTerm, which is a GREAT program with a HORRIBLE manual. (The manual is from 1985 with an addendum (sp?) in the front, and I think a README file on the disk....UGH !!!) Drew Dean Internet: c60a-1cu@web.berkeley.edu UUCP: ...!ucbvax!web!c60a-1cu FROM Disclaimers IMPORT StandardDisclaimer;
rterry@hpcupt1.HP.COM (Ray Terry) (11/03/88)
/ hpcupt1:comp.sys.mac / c60a-1cu@e260-1a.berkeley.edu (Drew Dean) / 5:17 pm Nov 1, 1988 / Personally I found Red Ryder 9.4 dropped characters at 1200 (yes 1200 baud), so for shareware I recommend Miniterm (very fast XMODEM), and I bought VersaTerm, which is a GREAT program with a HORRIBLE manual. (The manual is from 1985 with an addendum (sp?) in the front, and I think a README file on the disk....UGH !!!) Drew Dean Internet: c60a-1cu@web.berkeley.edu UUCP: ...!ucbvax!web!c60a-1cu FROM Disclaimers IMPORT StandardDisclaimer; ----------
rterry@hpcupt1.HP.COM (Ray Terry) (11/03/88)
/ hpcupt1:comp.sys.mac / rterry@hpcupt1.HP.COM (Ray Terry) / 8:43 am Nov 2, 1988 / / hpcupt1:comp.sys.mac / c60a-1cu@e260-1a.berkeley.edu (Drew Dean) / 5:17 pm Nov 1, 1988 / Personally I found Red Ryder 9.4 dropped characters at 1200 (yes 1200 baud), so for shareware I recommend Miniterm (very fast XMODEM), and I bought VersaTerm, which is a GREAT program with a HORRIBLE manual. (The manual is from 1985 with an addendum (sp?) in the front, and I think a README file on the disk....UGH !!!) Drew Dean Internet: c60a-1cu@web.berkeley.edu UUCP: ...!ucbvax!web!c60a-1cu FROM Disclaimers IMPORT StandardDisclaimer; ---------- ----------
rterry@hpcupt1.HP.COM (Ray Terry) (11/03/88)
Whoops, sorry about that last response...
Yes, Red Ryder is a little slow at 19.2. RR 10.3 is a little slow transfering
files via at anything greater than 1200 (if you're on anything less than a
Mac II). It appears that some INITs _may_ have an impact on RR, but the
same INITs do not appear to impact other term emulators (e.g. MiniTerm).
This is something that Watson has indicated would be resolved on the next
update to RR 10.3.
It really is hard to beat RR for complete functionality, but MiniTerm (latest
version is 2.9.1) being more streamlined, does appear to do a better job
keeping up to speed (especially on a Plus or SE).
Hope that helps.
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In article <16360@agate.BERKELEY.EDU> c60a-1cu@e260-1a.berkeley.edu (Drew Dean) writes: > Personally I found Red Ryder 9.4 dropped characters at 1200 (yes >1200 baud), so for shareware I recommend Miniterm (very fast XMODEM), and >I bought VersaTerm, which is a GREAT program with a HORRIBLE manual. Agreed. However, it runs flawlessly at high baud rates, doesn't drop characters even without flow-control at 2400/4800 baud (I use a Microcom modem with data compression), and costs only $75. It also works great under Multifinder, supports TEXT/Binary Kermit, TEXT/Binary {X,Y}MODEM, MacBinary XMODEM, and does VT100 and VT102 emulation. In fact, you can tell the computer on the other end that you have a VT220, and unless the program you're running relies on double-high characters or something, it should run fine. Maybe Microphone II is better, but it's not a fair comparison until the Microphone people cut about $200 off their price... ( I have connection to the Versaterm folks, except as a very satisfied customer. ) -- Steve Baumgarten | "New York... when civilization falls apart, Davis Polk & Wardwell | remember, we were way ahead of you." cmcl2!esquire!sbb | esquire!sbb@cmcl2.nyu.edu | - David Letterman
kehr@felix.UUCP (Shirley Kehr) (11/06/88)
In article <762@esquire.UUCP> sbb@esquire.UUCP (Stephen B. Baumgarten) writes: >Maybe Microphone II is better [than Miniterm], but it's not a fair comparison >until the >Microphone people cut about $200 off their price... Why should people who write communications software receive so little compensation for their work? Is it that much easier and quicker to write that kind of software than other kinds? (I'd not a programmer, don't know much about communications, etc., so I'm really asking this question sincerely). I used Microphone (the original) at my last job. Before we bought the Macs, our dealer had to prove to us that we could transmit the NBI documents. No one knew what kind of a cable we needed. The Microphone people supported their product in the trial even though we had not yet bought it. Also, I saw a copy of the Microphone II manual (the draft in 8 1/2 x 11-inch format) and I was impressed by the amount of help they gave the novice in understanding communications terminology. I don't mind paying for that kind of support and documentation. Shirley Kehr