dorourke@polyslo.CalPoly.EDU (David M. O'Rourke) (10/22/88)
Yeah!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Thankyou Apple!!!!!!!!!!!!!! System 6.0.2 works on a 512Ke with a Dove 2 meg upgrade. For those of you that missed my previous postings the serial Driver's in System 6.0 died a quick death on a 512Ke. I posted my displeasure and someone from Apple quickly replyed that system 6.0 wouldn't work on a 512Ke even if it had enough memory. The response was quick, polite, informative, but dissapointing. However the *VERY NICE* apple employee who responded said he'd mention my problem to the appropriate people. Well apparently the "appropriate people" listened, and very quietly fixed the problem in 6.0.2. And I'm am now one very Happy apple owner. They even fixed it so that the sound CDEV doesn't work on a 512Ke, that means that someone made a concerted effort to make system 6.0.2 work on a 512Ke that has enough memory. Thankyou Apple, was this "fix" on purpose, or were the problems from 6.0 causing all the problems on a 512Ke just because 6.0 was buggy?? Thanks again. -- David M. O'Rourke dorourke@polyslo.calpoly.edu "If it doesn't do Windows, then it's not a computer!!!" Disclaimer: I don't represent the school. All opinions are mine!
tecot@Apple.COM (Ed Tecot) (11/06/88)
In article <4825@polyslo.CalPoly.EDU> dorourke@polyslo.CalPoly.EDU (David M. O'Rourke) writes: > Thankyou Apple, was this "fix" on purpose, or were the problems from 6.0 >causing all the problems on a 512Ke just because 6.0 was buggy?? This fix was very much on purpose. You're welcome. _emt
kehr@felix.UUCP (Shirley Kehr) (11/08/88)
In article <20031@apple.Apple.COM> tecot@Apple.COM (Ed Tecot) writes: >In article <4825@polyslo.CalPoly.EDU> dorourke@polyslo.CalPoly.EDU (David M. O'Rourke) writes: >> Thankyou Apple, was this "fix" on purpose, or were the problems from 6.0 >>causing all the problems on a 512Ke just because 6.0 was buggy?? > >This fix was very much on purpose. You're welcome. > > _emt I've run for a few hours on 6.0.2 (not as long as I ran on 6.0) without problemslike freezing up or losing documents. But the map and sound cdevs do not appear in the control panel. Is this by design? I believe the original poster had the Dove 2Mbyte upgrade on his 512 while I have the Levco Monster Mac. Could the type of upgrade make a difference in getting the cdevs into the control panel? I don't need these cdevs (and if they aren't supposed to work on a 512KE, I'll just pull them out of the system folder), but I am curious about how much further I can go with this machine. Shirley Kehr
dorourke@polyslo.CalPoly.EDU (David M. O'Rourke) (11/11/88)
In article <68258@felix.UUCP> kehr@felix.UUCP (Shirley Kehr) writes: > > {Talks about how map & sound don't work on a 512Ke with sys 6.0.2 > >I don't need these cdevs (and if they aren't supposed to work on a 512KE, I'll >just pull them out of the system folder), Both map & the sound CDEV need the newer clock chip in the Macintosh Plus and beyond to work. The new verions of the CDEV's check to make sure that the clock chip is present before they will even consider working. If they don't find the new clock chip then they don't show up in the control panel. But I'm just happy to have sys 6.0.2 so that I can play with the notification manager. Question for the net: Is it the sound CDEV that requires the new clock chip or does the new Sound Manager require it? I would like to play with the new sound manager which is suppose to be part of sys 6.0.2, but does it require the new clock chip. -- David M. O'Rourke dorourke@polyslo.calpoly.edu "If it doesn't do Windows, then it's not a computer!!!" Disclaimer: I don't represent the school. All opinions are mine!
mystone@caen.engin.umich.edu (Dean Yu) (11/11/88)
In article <5630@polyslo.CalPoly.EDU>, dorourke@polyslo.CalPoly.EDU (David M. O'Rourke) writes: > In article <68258@felix.UUCP> kehr@felix.UUCP (Shirley Kehr) writes: > > > > {Talks about how map & sound don't work on a 512Ke with sys 6.0.2 > > > >I don't need these cdevs (and if they aren't supposed to work on a 512KE, I'll > >just pull them out of the system folder), > > Both map & the sound CDEV need the newer clock chip in the Macintosh Plus > and beyond to work. The new verions of the CDEV's check to make sure that > the clock chip is present before they will even consider working. If they > don't find the new clock chip then they don't show up in the control > panel. > I have a 512KE, and both Map and Sound work. I can't get the Mac II simple beep, though. I'm stuck with that old horrible sounding thing. It's funny. Everyone else in Mac-land wants the old beep, and I want the new one. ______________________________________________________________________________ Dean Yu | E-mail: mystone@caen.engin.umich.edu University of Michigan | Real-mail: Dean Yu Computer Aided Engineering Network | 2413 Kelsey House ===================================| 600 E Madison "These are MY opinions." (My | Ann Arbor, MI 48109 employer doesn't want them. |========================================== Actually, they don't really care | what I think. But President | This space intentionally left blank. Duderstadt does...) | ------------------------------------------------------------------------------
cyosta@taux01.UUCP (Yossie Silverman) (11/11/88)
I include here a small HQX files which contains xpramINIT. This INIT should
be placed in your system 6.0+ folder and it will "add" the extra pram memory
needed to run Sound and Map cdev's. Have fun.
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NSA LSD FBI KGB PCP CIA MOSAD NUCLEAR MI5 SPY ASSASSINATE SDI -- OOCLAY ITAYgroves@noao.edu (Lee Groves) (11/12/88)
I think we have a wonderfull new oxymoron here:
"a 2meg 512Ke"
Reminds me of the 4 foot long yardstick I had once :) :)
The problem is that if you call it a "2048Ke" no one knows what you are
talking about....
Lee
--
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Phonenet: 602-325-9357denn@violet.berkeley.edu (Leonard Rosenthol) (11/12/88)
In article <5630@polyslo.CalPoly.EDU> dorourke@polyslo.CalPoly.EDU (David M. O'Rourke) writes: >In article <68258@felix.UUCP> kehr@felix.UUCP (Shirley Kehr) writes: >> >> {Talks about how map & sound don't work on a 512Ke with sys 6.0.2 >> > Both map & the sound CDEV need the newer clock chip in the Macintosh Plus >and beyond to work. The new verions of the CDEV's check to make sure that >the clock chip is present before they will even consider working. If they >don't find the new clock chip then they don't show up in the control >panel. > This is not true, David. Acutally what happens is that all cdevs have a resource of type mach which tells the Control Panel on which machiens to bring it up on (ie. it makes no sense to bring up the monitors cdev on a MacPlus). Map and Sound are set with a value that tell them not to come up on the older machines. If you go in with ResEdit and change the value of the mach resoure to FFFF0000 then they will come up on your machine too... > Question for the net: Is it the sound CDEV that requires the new clock chip >or does the new Sound Manager require it? I would like to play with the >new sound manager which is suppose to be part of sys 6.0.2, but does it >require the new clock chip. I believe that it is the Sound cdev and not the Sound Manager.... /* ============================================================ */ /* Leonard Rosenthol | GEnie: MACgician */ /* President, Lazerware inc. | Delphi: MACgician */ /* | MacNet: MACgician */ /* denn@violet.berkeley.edu | AppleLink: D0025 */
lsr@Apple.COM (Larry Rosenstein) (11/12/88)
In article <3f98c24c.fb61@kirk.engin.umich.edu> mystone@caen.engin.umich.edu (Dean Yu) writes: > I have a 512KE, and both Map and Sound work. I can't get the Mac II >simple beep, though. I'm stuck with that old horrible sounding thing. It's >funny. Everyone else in Mac-land wants the old beep, and I want the new one. This was one of the changes in 6.0.2. On a Mac Plus & SE, if you choose the Simple Beep sound, it uses the old SysBeep implementation. One purpose of this is that the Sound Manager on those machines uses a timer that is also used by MIDI applications. Choosing Simple Beep prevents the two things from conflicting. A quick experiment seems to indicate that the System looks at the ID of the snd resource, and if it is 1, uses the old beep. Changing the ID of the Simple Beep resource should let you play the actual digitized sound. -- Larry Rosenstein, Object Specialist Apple Computer, Inc. 20525 Mariani Ave, MS 46-B Cupertino, CA 95014 AppleLink:Rosenstein1 domain:lsr@Apple.COM UUCP:{sun,voder,nsc,decwrl}!apple!lsr
thecloud@dhw68k.cts.com (Ken McLeod) (11/12/88)
In article <5630@polyslo.CalPoly.EDU> dorourke@polyslo.CalPoly.EDU (David M. O'Rourke) writes: >In article <68258@felix.UUCP> kehr@felix.UUCP (Shirley Kehr) writes: >> >> {Talks about how map & sound don't work on a 512Ke with sys 6.0.2 > > Both map & the sound CDEV need the newer clock chip in the Macintosh Plus >and beyond to work. The new verions of the CDEV's check to make sure that >the clock chip is present before they will even consider working. If they >don't find the new clock chip then they don't show up in the control >panel. There seems to have been a lot of confusion about the extra bytes in the "new" clock chip, and what they are used for. I believe that the Sound cdev stores the currently selected beep sound in this extra area, and the Map cdev stores the Current Location there, too. The Nov. issue of MacUser (my subscription hasn't expired, yet) claims that "applications such as travel-information programs and HyperCard can use this information directly, just as they can use the time settings." There are two UNDOCUMENTED traps, _ReadXPRAM and _WriteXPRAM, which handle reading and writing to the extended PRAM area. At least, they aren't documented in any TechNotes through 210... Now for my question: (two parts): how can I determine the total size of PRAM, and how can I make use of _ReadXPRAM to access the "new" settings? The old PRAM was 20 bytes (or at least, the data structure it held was that size), but how to tell the "new" size?? I'd like to be able to incorporate this in the next version of MacEnvy, so that users can determine whether or not they have the Plus clock chip in a 512/512E machine. (Apparently, the new clock chip was used in 512K Macs months before the introduction of the Plus...) Thanks in abundance... -ken -- ========== ....... =========================================== Ken McLeod :. .: uucp: {spsd, zardoz, felix}!dhw68k!thecloud ========== :::.. ..::: InterNet: thecloud@dhw68k.cts.com //// ===========================================
thecloud@dhw68k.cts.com (Ken McLeod) (11/13/88)
In article <3f98c24c.fb61@kirk.engin.umich.edu> mystone@caen.engin.umich.edu (Dean Yu) writes: > I have a 512KE, and both Map and Sound work. I can't get the Mac II >simple beep, though. I'm stuck with that old horrible sounding thing. It's >funny. Everyone else in Mac-land wants the old beep, and I want the new one. The reason Map and Sound work on your 512e is because you have the "new" clock chip! As for the new beep, I think it sounds "horrible" on a 512/Plus/SE, since a massive click is produced at the end of it... but it shouldn't be too hard to write an INIT that patches SysBeep to play the "Simple Beep" sound. This is an incredibly perverse thought: an INIT that re-installs something that was considered a bug in System 6.0! I may just give it a shot :-) (What would happen if the "Gimme Back SysBeep" INIT was installed after a "Lemme Keep Simple Beep" INIT? Battling beep sounds!!!!!!!!! :-) :-)) -- ========== ....... =========================================== Ken McLeod :. .: uucp: {spsd, zardoz, felix}!dhw68k!thecloud ========== :::.. ..::: InterNet: thecloud@dhw68k.cts.com //// ===========================================
dorourke@polyslo.CalPoly.EDU (David M. O'Rourke) (11/14/88)
In article <3f98c24c.fb61@kirk.engin.umich.edu> mystone@caen.engin.umich.edu (Dean Yu) writes: > I have a 512KE, and both Map and Sound work. I can't get the Mac II >simple beep, though. I'm stuck with that old horrible sounding thing. It's >funny. Everyone else in Mac-land wants the old beep, and I want the new one. That means that you have a fairly new 512Ke. AS has been posted on the net before some of the last 512Ke's actually have th Mac-Plus clock Chip instead of the old one. Someone at Apple's factory sat down at thought about why they should go to the trouble of maintaining 2 completely different IC components when they are pin for pin compatible, so in some of the last 512Ke's to roll of the Assembly line they were putting the Mac-Plus clock chips in them. From talking with people at Apple however the # of 512Ke's with this "upgrade" is a very low percentage. -- David M. O'Rourke dorourke@polyslo.calpoly.edu "If it doesn't do Windows, then it's not a computer!!!" Disclaimer: I don't represent the school. All opinions are mine!
dorourke@polyslo.CalPoly.EDU (David M. O'Rourke) (11/14/88)
In article <16857@agate.BERKELEY.EDU> denn@violet.berkeley.edu (Leonard Rosenthol) writes: > This is not true, David. Acutally what happens is that all cdevs have >a resource of type mach which tells the Control Panel on which machiens >to bring it up on (ie. it makes no sense to bring up the monitors cdev >on a MacPlus). Map and Sound are set with a value that tell them not to >come up on the older machines. If you go in with ResEdit and change the >value of the mach resoure to FFFF0000 then they will come up on your >machine too... I do think that they actually check for the clock chip because Sound and Map work on a 512Ke that has the newer clock chip. Besides I have it on reliable authority that the Sound CDEV's does actually "check" for the new clock chip and doesn't completely rely on the mach resource. But I could be wrong, and I welcome corrections, but I'm not ready to give up yet. I think my original posting was accurrate :-). In system 6.0 I think you are correct, but they added some stuff to 6.0.2 so that things work on a 512Ke, and that forced to to kinda/sorta {read not completely} abandon the mach resource when dealing with the absence of the clock chip. -- David M. O'Rourke dorourke@polyslo.calpoly.edu "If it doesn't do Windows, then it's not a computer!!!" Disclaimer: I don't represent the school. All opinions are mine!