[comp.sys.mac] SuperPaint and Canvas

) (11/13/88)

Folks,

I've got two questions:

I have a problem with SuperPaint v1.1 on my Mac SE running System 6.0.2
MultiFinder.  Whenever I take a graphic that is LARGER THAN SuperPaint's
default window size, copy it to the clipboard, and paste it back into a new,
untitled SuperPaint window, the top 10-15% of the graphic disappears!  This
DOES NOT happen with any other painting program I have tried.  I have called
and written Silicon Beach about this and have gotten essentially zero response. 
Has anyone else seen this problem?  I hate to burden Silicon Beach any further
with my business, so I'm looking for a replacement, which leads to my second
question...

I recently got hold of the Canvas v2.0 DEMO, and it looks really nice.  Not to
mention the fact that the above graphic pasting problem does not occur!  Does
anyone out there use Canvas, and can you comment on it?  Do you love it?  Hate
it?  What's good, what's bad?  What does it REALLY require under MultiFinder? 
It wants 1500K !, but I kicked it down to 520K, and it worked.  Please mail me,
as I'm probably going to buy this program.

As always, thank you!

Rich

binder@eniac.seas.upenn.edu (Tim Binder) (11/14/88)

In article <8811130357.AA22389@decwrl.dec.com> long@mcntsh.dec.com (I'm not an
actor, but I play one on TV!) writes:
>mention the fact that the above graphic pasting problem does not occur!  Does
>anyone out there use Canvas, and can you comment on it?  Do you love it?  Hate
>it?  What's good, what's bad?  What does it REALLY require under MultiFinder? 
>It wants 1500K !, but I kicked it down to 520K, and it worked.  Please mail me,
>as I'm probably going to buy this program.
>
>As always, thank you!
>
>Rich

Please mail me info, too! I currently use MacDraw II, but don't find it quite
powerful enough. I tried Canvas 1.0 when it first came out, but it seemed to
be fairly buggy when it came to text handling. I am particularly interested in
hearing how 2.0 is.

Thanks!
Tim

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drew@cat31.CS.WISC.EDU (Shawn Drew) (11/14/88)

In article <8811130357.AA22389@decwrl.dec.com> long@mcntsh.dec.com (I'm not an actor, but I play one on TV!) writes:
>Folks,
	[Miscellaneous comments about SuperPaint]

>I recently got hold of the Canvas v2.0 DEMO, and it looks really nice.  Not to
>mention the fact that the above graphic pasting problem does not occur!  Does
>anyone out there use Canvas, and can you comment on it?  Do you love it?  Hate
>it?  What's good, what's bad?  What does it REALLY require under MultiFinder? 
>It wants 1500K !, but I kicked it down to 520K, and it worked.  Please mail me,
>as I'm probably going to buy this program.

I personally really *love* Canvas.  It is quite an amazing program.  Besides
the fact that it mixes both Paint and Draw objects in the same layer, it is
really great for anyone dealing with scanned images.  I bought Canvas 1.02
with the promise of getting a free upgrade to Canvas 2.0 (incidentally saving
about $180).  The downswing of this is, if you saw my earlier posting, that
someone else bought Canvas DA with the same registration number as my copy.
So I had to send a photocopy of my diskettes.  Unfortunately, I have been
unable to see Canvas 2.0 to make any value judgements on it, but if its any
bit as good as Canvas 1.02, I would buy it if I were you.  If you can, buy
the old version for the free upgrade.  It might take a bit longer (~3 weeks?)
but you will save quite a bit.


   Disclaimer:  The opinions expressed in this article do not represent
    those of my employer.  They're for sale, if you want them.
                      drew@cat18.cs.wisc.edu
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kehr@felix.UUCP (Shirley Kehr) (11/15/88)

In article <8811130357.AA22389@decwrl.dec.com> long@mcntsh.dec.com (I'm not an actor, but I play one on TV!) writes:
 
>I recently got hold of the Canvas v2.0 DEMO, and it looks really nice.  Not to
>mention the fact that the above graphic pasting problem does not occur!  Does
>anyone out there use Canvas, and can you comment on it?  Do you love it?  Hate
>it?  What's good, what's bad?  What does it REALLY require under MultiFinder? 
>It wants 1500K !, but I kicked it down to 520K, and it worked.  Please mail me,
>as I'm probably going to buy this program.
>
>As always, thank you!
>
>Rich

1500K?  Wow. How am I going to run it with Word under MultiFinder on a
2 Mbyte machine?

I bought Canvas before MultiFinder came out. I chose it primarily for its
DA capability. However, I never really used the DA because MultiFinder is
so much more convenient.

I can't say I love it or hate it. It's the only graphics program I use so
it's just the way I do art in manuals I write.

I read a review that said the blending of draw and paint was smoother
than SuperPaint, so I went for it. However, I never do paint anyways, so
it didn't matter. I've never tried to open bit mapped clip art with it
so I don't know if/how this would work.

There are some little anomolies in text handling. With left justified
text blocks, you have to add a space at the beginning of each new line
after the first. I hope they've fixed that in Version 2.0.

The manual isn't very good. The index is useless and I've had many questions
about how to handle text that simply aren't in the manual. For example, once
you click elsewhere after entering text, you've set the size of the text
block. If you want to add something later, you'll see text disappear. You
have to select the text block and expand it in order to see what you're
typing. Luckily, another user discovered how to display the missing text.
There was no help in the manual.

This was their first release, and as they say, the product was originally
intended only as a DA. But it kept growing until they felt they had a full
blown application. Perhaps they didn't have too much experience writing
full-blown manuals and hopefully, they've improved it. Certainly, they
must have gotten many questions upon which to base a revised version of
the manual.

I'm anxiously awaiting the upgrade which I heard was shipping. Now what I
need is a way to nudge objects a pixel or so larger or smaller. You can
position objects with the arrow keys, but I know of no way to make them
grow (or shrink) by a tiny amount using arrow keys. Any takers out there?

Shirley Kehr