spohrer-james@yale.UUCP (10/21/88)
From: James Spohrer <spohrer-james> >>From: James Spohrer <spohrer-james> >> >>Does the NeXT machine have an 800K or 1.5M floppy system? >>It seems that in an educational market you want to be able >>to share programs, etc. on a medium that doesn't cost >>$50. The joy of the under $1.00 diskettes is that you >>can freely give them away, whereas the $50 CD diskettes >>would be too expensive. >> >>- Jim Spohrer >>spohrer@yale.edu >>------- > >The NeXT machine does not have any sort of floppy drive, and I >doubt it ever will. You're right that you want to be able to share >programs, files, data, etc. on a medium that doesn't cost $50. How >about your campus Ethernet? Why cart programs around on a >floppy when you can access them with NFS from across the campus? >Of course if you don't have a campus Ethernet you're out of luck. >But I think that's one of the reasons Jobs included built-in Ethernet >and TCP/IP support. I just hope you don't have to open a terminal >window and type someting like "mount -t nfs serv:/usr/src >/usr/src"; I hope Jobs made the user interface better than that. > >David Finkelstein >davef@jessica.stanford.edu I am think NeXT has made a big mistake by not including a 3.5" floppy. Campus Ethernet will not begin to solve the problem. The cost of the medium will be added onto the price of the software, so every appication will start out at $50 instead of under a dollar for the 3.5" floppy. Sure once you have the software on campus, maybe Ethernet will be useful, but what about buying the 1000 new applications that are supposed to spring up for the NeXT machine? This price problem will almost totally eliminate the possibility of inexpensive (under $50) software for the NeXT machine. I think not having a 3.5" floppy is a VERY VERY BAD move for an otherwise brilliant machine. -Jim Spohrer spohrer@yale.edu -------
ech@poseidon.ATT.COM (Edward C Horvath) (10/22/88)
>The NeXT machine does not have any sort of floppy drive, and I doubt it ever > will. You're right that you want to be able to share >programs, files, data, etc. on a medium that doesn't cost $50... Be serious: if there's a market for one, somebody will sell one. I do agree that, on campus, the network is clearly the way to exchange software. It's also too expensive to give away the optifloppy (I like that word too!) media. Also on campus, even without a net, that just means that YOUR optifloppy, mine, and a NeXT have to share the same space for 5 minutes. With 8Mb of RAM, we won't even have to swap floppies often. Assuming NeXT survives -- and Steve&Co have my best wishes -- by the time NeXT leaves the campus, there'll be 3.5" drives. =Ned=
u545731798ea@deneb.ucdavis.edu (L. Greg DeMichillie) (10/24/88)
The read/write CD is really nice for archival storage, but it is not the ideal medium to distribute traditional software. Can you imagine buying a copy of PageMaker. Yes sir, here is your 256 megabyte disk, with all of 2 megs used! It's like using a chainsaw to cut butter! Note that I said *traditional* software. If however you are buying something that is, by nature, large (i.e. the Los Angeles County phone book) then the large disk size a very nice feature. ----- L. Greg DeMichillie "This is the 80's... I don't want to wait Apple Student Rep - UC Davis 15 milliseconds" lgdemichillie@ucdavis.edu - computer store customer on why he wanted AppleLink: ST0178 a 50ms hard disk and NOT a 65 ms. Disclaimer: If you've seen one disclaimer, you've seen them all.
peter@aucs.UUCP (Peter Steele) (10/25/88)
> also too expensive to give away the optifloppy (I like that word too!) media.
^^^^^^^^^^
How about "flopitical disk" :-)
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BITNET: Peter@Acadia Internet: Peter%Acadia.BITNET@CUNYVM.CUNY.EDUwetter@cit-vax.Caltech.Edu (Pierce T. Wetter) (10/27/88)
>> also too expensive to give away the optifloppy (I like that word too!) media. -> ^^^^^^^^^^ -> -> How about "flopitical disk" :-) > > How about optofloppy. (o instead of an i) Just my .02$ Pierce ____________________________________________________________________________ You can flame or laud me at: wetter@tybalt.caltech.edu or wetter@csvax.caltech.edu or pwetter@caltech.bitnet Caution: All my postings are 100% accurate from my point of view. However, my point of view rarely translates into english. Therefore any errors in my posting are your fault for not interpreting it correctly.
larryh@tekgvs.GVS.TEK.COM (Larry Hutchinson) (10/28/88)
In article <1329@aucs.UUCP> peter@aucs.UUCP (Peter Steele) writes: >> also too expensive to give away the optifloppy (I like that word too!) media. >How about "flopitical disk" :-) But but but ... It ain't floppy! It's hard, like a CD, and 'optihard' doesn't hack it. How about a 'MORE disk' --- Magneto-Optical Read/Erase disk. Larry Hutchinson, Tektronix, Inc. PO Box 500, MS 50-383, Beaverton, OR 97077 UUCP: [uunet|ucbvax|decvax|hplabs]!tektronix!tekgvs!larryh ARPA: larryh%tekgvs.TEK.COM@RELAY.CS.NET CSNet: larryh@tekgvs.TEK.COM
zimerman@phoenix.Princeton.EDU (Jacob Ben-david Zimmerman) (10/28/88)
In article <8417@cit-vax.Caltech.Edu> wetter@cit-vax.Caltech.Edu (Pierce T. Wetter) writes: >>> also too expensive to give away the optifloppy (I like that word too!) media. >-> ^^^^^^^^^^ >-> How about "flopitical disk" :-) > > > How about optofloppy. (o instead of an i) >Just my .02$ >Pierce -sounds a lot like Kill-O-Zap or some other midfifties advertising slogan... Opt-O-Floppy...?:-) -- ___________ | "A flute with no holes is not a flute. A donut || | with no holes is a danish." || ||acob Zimmerman!+> <zimerman@phoenix.Princeton.EDU> INTERNET === | <zimerman@PUCC> BITnet
mer@eagle_snax.UUCP ( Sun ECD TOPS) (10/31/88)
> Also on campus, even without a net, that just means that YOUR optifloppy, > mine, and a NeXT have to share the same space for 5 minutes. With 8Mb of > RAM, we won't even have to swap floppies often. Uhhhh...you can't remove the optical disk until you reboot. No disk swapping at all! (And no copying either, of course, without a network connection.)
rmf1992@uxf.cso.uiuc.edu (10/31/88)
Just a quick question, with all the hype over the Opto-whateveryoucallit
I'm curious about what plans Apple has. Is there any info (rumors known or
unknown)?
Just curious.
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----------------------------|u545731798ea@deneb.ucdavis.edu (L. Greg DeMichillie) (11/01/88)
In article <383@eagle_snax.UUCP> mer@eagle_snax.UUCP (Meridith Lesly - Sun ECD TOPS) writes: >> Also on campus, even without a net, that just means that YOUR optifloppy, >> mine, and a NeXT have to share the same space for 5 minutes. With 8Mb of >> RAM, we won't even have to swap floppies often. > >Uhhhh...you can't remove the optical disk until you reboot. No disk swapping >at all! (And no copying either, of course, without a network connection.) Which of course means that a REAL NeXT system costs $8500, since NeXT only sells two hard disks. The "small" disk is 330MB and cost $2000. I haven't even looked at how much the 660MB drive is. ----- L. Greg DeMichillie "How much is a Jasmine hard disk *without* Apple Student Rep - UC Davis the keyboard?" lgdemichillie@ucdavis.edu - Weird computer customer question of AppleLink: ST0178 the week Disclaimer: If you've seen one disclaimer, you've seen them all.
jsp@unccvax.UUCP (Joel Patterson) (11/02/88)
In article <491@wasatch.UUCP>, t-jacobs@wasatch.UUCP (Tony Jacobs) writes: > In article <133@calmasd.GE.COM> jnp@calmasd.GE.COM (John Pantone) writes: > >>>>... the optifloppy > >>>How about "flopitical disk" :-) > > How about just plain OPTICAL? Then you have HD, CD, OD, and FLoppies. > > Or if you want to get cute you can call it an "WOD" for Writeable Optical Disk. > > -- > Tony Jacobs * Center for Engineering Design * U of U * t-jacobs@ced.utah.edu call it "WARM" Write And Read Many. Akin to WORM as it uses similar technology, plus the use of heat for writing makes it warm(if you could feel it immediately after writing). jsp
lange@lanai.cs.ucla.edu (Trent Lange) (11/12/88)
In article <3237@ucdavis.ucdavis.edu> u545731798ea@deneb.ucdavis.edu.UUCP (L. Greg DeMichillie) writes: > >Which of course means that a REAL NeXT system costs $8500, since NeXT only >sells two hard disks. The "small" disk is 330MB and cost $2000. I haven't >even looked at how much the 660MB drive is. > Has anybody else taken notice of this? A 330MB hard disk for only $2000! I haven't seen anything sold for the Mac come even close to this! In the ads that I've seen, the cheapest 3rd party hard disks holding close to 330MB cost at least twice as much! Just more price gouging on the Mac front, as usual? Trent Lange ********************************************************************** * "UCLA: The fifth best country in the Olympics" * **********************************************************************
julian@riacs.edu (Julian E Gomez) (11/14/88)
In article <17823@shemp.CS.UCLA.EDU> lange@cs.ucla.edu (Trent Lange) writes:
" Has anybody else taken notice of this? A 330MB hard disk for only $2000!
"
" I haven't seen anything sold for the Mac come even close to this! In
" the ads that I've seen, the cheapest 3rd party hard disks holding close
" to 330MB cost at least twice as much!
"
" Just more price gouging on the Mac front, as usual?
It's pretty easy to have a good price on a product that's not
available. And even when they do start selling, it's to
universities only.
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"Have you ever wondered if taxation without representation was cheaper?"
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julian@riacs.edulangford@reed.UUCP (Chris Langford) (11/15/88)
In article <3237@ucdavis.ucdavis.edu> u545731798ea@deneb.ucdavis.edu.UUCP (L. Greg DeMichillie) writes: ] ]Which of course means that a REAL NeXT system costs $8500, since NeXT only ]sells two hard disks. The "small" disk is 330MB and cost $2000. I haven't ]even looked at how much the 660MB drive is. ] The "large" disk is $4000. -- Chris Langford {decvax allegra ucbcad ucbvax hplabs}!tektronix!reed!langford langford@reed.bitnet | "And to everyone else out there, | the secret is to bang the rocks | together, guys."