gsbrob1@apcvxa.uchicago.edu (11/15/88)
There's a fellow here who has bought a new Mac with an internal hard disk and he wants to transfer files from his old Mac, which also has an internal hard disk. He wants to move the files from the old HD to the new one. Short of actually swapping HD's, he wants to know if there's any way to do this without transferring the files to another medium, such as floppies. Specifically he wanted to know if it were possible to just send the files over AppleTalk. Does any PD program exist which will do this? Or is there another way? Robert ***************************** gsbrob1@apcvxa.uchicago.edu ra_robert@gsbacd.uchicago.edu ............................................................................ . generic disclaimer: all opinions here expressed are mine and mine alone . ............................................................................
earleh@eleazar.dartmouth.edu (Earle R. Horton) (11/16/88)
In article <782@tank.uchicago.edu> gsbrob1@apcvxa.uchicago.edu writes: > >There's a fellow here who has bought a new Mac with an internal hard disk and >he wants to transfer files from his old Mac, which also has an internal hard >disk. He wants to move the files from the old HD to the new one. Short of >actually swapping HD's, he wants to know if there's any way to do this without >transferring the files to another medium, such as floppies. Specifically he >wanted to know if it were possible to just send the files over AppleTalk. Does >any PD program exist which will do this? Or is there another way? > Several methods exist which I know of, and probably several more of which I am unaware. If you have a serial terminal emulator, such as MacTerminal, VersaTerm, or FreeTerm, which supports one of the binary Macintosh file transfer protocols, then you can connect the two Macs together using a "Mac-to-Mac" cable and send the files that way. Set the communications speed to the fastest one the program is capable of. I believe FreeTerm allows 56700 baud, but I have not tried this. Newer versions of VersaTerm allow one to send all the files in a folder when doing uploads, and probably other programs exist with this feature. The serial method would be slower than AppleTalk, but if you can transfer a whole folder at once, then the transfer can take place while you eat lunch, or sleep. MacKermit, which is PD, can also be used to transfer files from Mac to Mac, and is capable of batch operation, but it does not handle most Macintosh file types well. Its chief utility is for transfering files which are all of the same "type," e.g. a whole folder full of text files. Specifically, any "one-fork" file can be transferred using MacKermit, but if the type is not 'TEXT' then you have to manually set the type at the destination. Hint: Convert the files to Stuffit or Tar archives before transferring, then de-archive at the destination Mac. The preferred method around here requires that you be able to borrow a tape drive: Just copy all the files to a tape, which you read back into the second Mac. Experience indicates to me that this is the fastest method, and you get a backup of all your files if you elect to keep the tape when you are done. The floppy method is definitely the most cumbersome to use, but don't sell it short. If you keep the floppies, and store them in a safe place when you are done, then you get a backup of your files which you can use at any time. Assuming you are forced to use floppies, then there are programs which can reduce the time you spend transfering files, by compressing the files for you. MacCompress is a PD program which can be used to compress all the files on a hard disk, then decompress when you have the files moved to the new disk. It restores all Macintosh file attributes. Typical compression ratios are very roughly 50%, but some files compress a lot more (or a lot less) than this. A PD, ShareWare, or cheap Mac-to-Mac file fransfer program using AppleTalk sounds like it would be a hot item. I am surprised no one has written one yet. (Or maybe someone has.) Earle R. Horton. 23 Fletcher Circle, Hanover, NH 03755 (603) 643-4109 Sorry, no fancy stuff, since this program limits my .signature to three
jeff@drexel.UUCP (Jeff White) (11/17/88)
In article <782@tank.uchicago.edu>, gsbrob1@apcvxa.uchicago.edu writes: > > There's a fellow here who has bought a new Mac with an internal hard disk and > he wants to transfer files from his old Mac, which also has an internal hard > disk. He wants to move the files from the old HD to the new one. Short of > actually swapping HD's, he wants to know if there's any way to do this without > transferring the files to another medium, such as floppies. Specifically he > wanted to know if it were possible to just send the files over AppleTalk. > Does any PD program exist which will do this? Or is there another way? > Someone already mentioned using a direct connection with file transfer programs. My thought would be to either find programs that can automatically transfer a number of files (of folders), or else to use some archive program (Stuffit?) to come all your files into one, send that file, and then de-archive on the new system. As far as Appletalk goes, I would think that would want a package that supported each Mac as peers, not a standard client/server. Programs like MacServe (and maybe AppleShare) require you to dedicate a Mac to be the server (no problem), but at least with MacServe, they create their onw server partition which can't access Mac files already on the Desktop. Tops is the only package I know where the installation is easy (just install a DA and autobootup code) and allows total compatibility with all the Mac files you already have. If all you want to do is this file transfer, I don't think the (~$200 software + $25 Appletalk) x 2 is a realistic price to pay. Jeff White Drexel University - ECE Dept. rutgers!bpa!drexel!jeff
mfi@beach.cis.ufl.edu (Mark Interrante) (11/18/88)
In article <782@tank.uchicago.edu> gsbrob1@apcvxa.uchicago.edu writes: >Specifically he >wanted to know if it were possible to just send the files over AppleTalk. Does >any PD program exist which will do this? Or is there another way? I just recieved version of 2.2 of NCSA telnet. It seems to work over appletalk or ethernet. Does someone in the know , know if two machines running telnet will solve the file transfer problem? ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- Mark Interrante Software Engineering Research Center mfi@beach.cis.ufl.edu CIS Department, University of Florida 32611 ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- "Imagine what it would be like if TV actually were good. It would be the end of everything we know." Marvin Minsky
earleh@eleazar.dartmouth.edu (Earle R. Horton) (11/18/88)
In article <19235@uflorida.cis.ufl.EDU> mfi@beach.cis.ufl.edu () writes: >I just recieved version of 2.2 of NCSA telnet. It seems to work over >appletalk or ethernet. Does someone in the know , know if two machines >running telnet will solve the file transfer problem? The problem with this program is that it does not allow the Macintosh end of the program to initiate ftp transfers. You must start up ftp from a system with a command line user interface, then ftp to the Mac. From this point, all transfers are implemented by entering a command to the ftp running on the non-Macintosh host. However, the source code for NCSA Telnet is available, so maybe someday an enterprising programmer will put in the code necessary for Mac-to-Mac ftp. Earle R. Horton. 23 Fletcher Circle, Hanover, NH 03755 (603) 643-4109 Sorry, no fancy stuff, since this program limits my .signature to three
her3@tank.uchicago.edu (Ben 'Drew' Herman) (11/19/88)
In article <10980@dartvax.Dartmouth.EDU> earleh@eleazar.dartmouth.edu (Earle R. Horton) writes: >In article <19235@uflorida.cis.ufl.EDU> mfi@beach.cis.ufl.edu () writes: >>I just recieved version of 2.2 of NCSA telnet. It seems to work over >>appletalk or ethernet. Does someone in the know , know if two machines >>running telnet will solve the file transfer problem? > > The problem with this program is that it does not allow the >Macintosh end of the program to initiate ftp transfers. You must >start up ftp from a system with a command line user interface, then >ftp to the Mac. From this point, all transfers are implemented by >entering a command to the ftp running on the non-Macintosh host. > I'm not really sure on this point But..... Since NCSA telnet Dynamically assigns IP numbers couldn't you start NCSA telnet on two machines find out what one machines IP is then , open a connection to that IP????? Yeah your right, there's probably no way in hell that would work.... but I'll try it this weekend any way..... Ben -- Internet: her3@tank.uchicago.edu or ben@rover.uchicago.edu BITNET: her3@tank.uchicago.bitnet UUCP: {ihnp4!gargoyle,oddjob}!tank!her3 (this undoubtedly nolonger works )
edmoy@violet.berkeley.edu (11/19/88)
In article <19235@uflorida.cis.ufl.EDU> mfi@beach.cis.ufl.edu () writes: >In article <782@tank.uchicago.edu> gsbrob1@apcvxa.uchicago.edu writes: >>Specifically he >>wanted to know if it were possible to just send the files over AppleTalk. Does >>any PD program exist which will do this? Or is there another way? > >I just recieved version of 2.2 of NCSA telnet. It seems to work over >appletalk or ethernet. Does someone in the know , know if two machines >running telnet will solve the file transfer problem? NCSA Telnet is a great program if you don't mind a few slips in the user interface, like the scrollbars being positioned 1 pixel off, or the insertion bar appearing on the gray desktop. Anyways, for all its good points, it does have one major weakness; it only acts as an ftp server and can not initiate ftp as a pier. This means that you can't transfer files between two machines with telnet, because they both act as servers, and there is not way to initiate an ftp session from within NCSA telnet. Edward Moy Principal Programmer - Macintosh & Unix Workstation Support Services Workstation Software Support Group University of California Berkeley, CA 94720 edmoy@violet.Berkeley.EDU ucbvax!violet!edmoy
magnus@ikaros.cs.umu.se (11/21/88)
In article <832@tank.uchicago.edu> her3@tank.uchicago.edu.UUCP (Ben 'Drew' Herman) writes: > I'm not really sure on this point But..... >Since NCSA telnet Dynamically assigns IP numbers couldn't you >start NCSA telnet on two machines > find out what one machines IP is >then , open a connection to that IP????? > Unfortunately (?) this won't work. This would need some kind of prompt-based interpreter at the other end to process your requests. Actually, NCSA Telnet supports this, but only when running ftp from another machine. This means that you CAN use NCSA Telnet to send files over AppleTalk, but you will have to use another machine in between (AND also binhex the files, since ftp (naturally) only sends the data fork of the mac file). There's another point to this also: if you're running NCSA Telnet, and your hard disk suddenly starts spinning, that's probably somebody taking a look at your files...! (Hey! Where's the file protection? :-) ) Then, one wonders, hasn't anybody done ftp for the mac??? "ftp DA", yessss, that one I would like to see next time I pull down my apple! --- Magnus Astrom, Dept. of Info. Proc., Univ. of Umea, S-90187 Umea, Sweden Internet: magnus@cs.umu.se UUCP: ...!mcvax!enea!umecs!magnus
magnus@ikaros.cs.umu.se (11/21/88)
In article 3010 of comp.sys.mac, I wrote: > you CAN use NCSA Telnet to send files over AppleTalk, but you will have > to use another machine in between (AND also binhex the files, since ftp > (naturally) only sends the data fork of the mac file). OOPS! I forgot that there now is a MacBinary feature in NCSA Telnet 2.2 that, when using ftp with the binary option, both forks are sent, so you won't have to use BinHex.. but still, you have to use that other machine. --- Magnus Astrom, Dept. of Info. Proc., Univ. of Umea, S-90187 Umea, Sweden Internet: magnus@cs.umu.se UUCP: ...!mcvax!enea!umecs!magnus