korfhage@CS.UCLA.EDU (12/07/88)
I would like to get the laserwriter screen fonts (the font files with the
italic and bold other variations) for times, symbol, and helvetica.
Unfortunately I don't have a subscription to CompuServe, but surely some
folks out there on the internet have snarfed them from CompuServe, and my
Expressionist manual says that they can be freely distributed among
individuals. Could I ftp them from somebody?
Thanks a lot.
Willard Korfhage
ARPA : korfhage@cs.ucla.edu
UUCP : {ucbvax,randvax,trwrb!trwspp,ism780}!ucla-cs!korfhagebriand@tekig4.TEK.COM (Brian Diehm) (12/10/88)
>I would like to get the laserwriter screen fonts (the font files with the >italic and bold other variations) for times, symbol, and helvetica. >Unfortunately I don't have a subscription to CompuServe, but surely some >folks out there on the internet have snarfed them from CompuServe, and my >Expressionist manual says that they can be freely distributed among >individuals. Could I ftp them from somebody? I don't know about ftp; I'm not really a unix guru. I know these are available from Adobe as a $50 set of 3 disks. You probably don't want that. I have these disks, and can set them up so that they can be ftp'd from this machine. But wait, there's more. I have spent some time translating these all into NFNTs. The benefit is that the variant forms won't show in your font menu, but they will show if you use bold and/or italic formats. Since the variant names are very post-scriptish, they really mess up your font menu if they show there; imagine a lot of names in your font menu like "BI Bookman Demi Bold Italic" or "I Avant Garde Oblique". It gets messy. The NFNT versions avoid this. It takes a lot of work to translate these into NFNTs, apparently because when Adobe did the originals they weren't carefully done and some of the FOND info is in slightly out-of-date form. So I would recommend taking advantage of me and getting the NFNT versions. I spent hours on it. The penalty is that you must tell me the form that they need to be in so that you can ftp them across. Or should I try to post them in BinHex 4.0? Or as a StuffIt Archive? Or what? I may have spent hours on making them NFNTs, but I definitely DON'T want so spend hours emailing them or posting them, so let's keep this simple, eh? -- -Brian Diehm (SDA - Standard Disclaimers Apply) Tektronix, Inc. briand@tekig4.TEK.COM or {decvax,cae780,uw-beaver}!tektronix!tekig4!briand
kehr@felix.UUCP (Shirley Kehr) (12/12/88)
In article <3524@tekig4.TEK.COM> briand@tekig4.TEK.COM (Brian Diehm) writes:
<>I would like to get the laserwriter screen fonts (the font files with the
<>italic and bold other variations) for times, symbol, and helvetica.
<>Unfortunately I don't have a subscription to CompuServe, but surely some
<>folks out there on the internet have snarfed them from CompuServe, and my
<>Expressionist manual says that they can be freely distributed among
<>individuals. Could I ftp them from somebody?
What are the advantages of these screen fonts? Is there any way to improve
the readability of Times 10 point plain? Is there any difference in the
print quality of bold/italic etc.?
<It takes a lot of work to translate these into NFNTs, apparently because when
<Adobe did the originals they weren't carefully done and some of the FOND info
<is in slightly out-of-date form.
<-Brian Diehm (SDA - Standard Disclaimers Apply)
Did you spend hours using something like Suitcase II or because you used
some other method? Do you need programming skills (or other knowledge the
average user doesn't have)?
Shirley Kehrsbb@esquire.UUCP (Stephen B. Baumgarten) (12/13/88)
In article <3524@tekig4.TEK.COM> briand@tekig4.TEK.COM (Brian Diehm) writes: >The penalty is that you must tell me the form that they need to be in so that >you can ftp them across. Or should I try to post them in BinHex 4.0? Or as a >StuffIt Archive? Or what? I may have spent hours on making them NFNTs, but I >definitely DON'T want so spend hours emailing them or posting them, so let's >keep this simple, eh? > >-- >-Brian Diehm (SDA - Standard Disclaimers Apply) >Tektronix, Inc. >briand@tekig4.TEK.COM or {decvax,cae780,uw-beaver}!tektronix!tekig4!briand Why not run Stuffit on them, then BinHex them and post them to comp.binaries.mac? I'd be very interested in getting copies of the NFNTs, but I don't have FTP access. I'm sure there are others in a similar situation. -- Steve Baumgarten | "New York... when civilization falls apart, Davis Polk & Wardwell | remember, we were way ahead of you." cmcl2!esquire!sbb | esquire!sbb@cmcl2.nyu.edu | - David Letterman
jnh@ece-csc.UUCP (Joseph Nathan Hall) (12/13/88)
In article <888@esquire.UUCP> sbb@esquire.UUCP (Stephen B. Baumgarten) writes: >In article <3524@tekig4.TEK.COM> briand@tekig4.TEK.COM (Brian Diehm) writes: >[offers NFNT'd LaserWriter fonts to us] >Why not run Stuffit on them, then BinHex them and post them to >comp.binaries.mac? I'd be very interested in getting copies of the NFNTs, >but I don't have FTP access. I'm sure there are others in a similar >situation. AMEN! I think this would be an excellent idea. I'd actually like to see fonts (USEFUL fonts, mind you) posted in comp.binaries.mac, especially NFNTs. What about some of the (other) public-domain fonts? "Boston," for example. By the way, I have a legible, non-proportional font that I designed for programming (called, would you believe, "Program") ... 0's look different from O's and you can tell the difference between "1," "I" and "l." (Among other things.) I'd be happy to post it and a couple of my other creations if there were enough interest. -- v v sssss|| joseph hall || 201-1D Hampton Lee Court v v s s || jnh@ece-csc.ncsu.edu (Internet) || Cary, NC 27511 v sss || the opinions expressed herein are not necessarily those of my -----------|| employer, north carolina state university . . . . . . . . . . .
chuq%plaid@Sun.COM (Chuq Von Rospach) (12/13/88)
>>Why not run Stuffit on them, then BinHex them and post them to >>comp.binaries.mac? Before you do this, I suggest you double-check with Adobe that it's okay. there's a big difference between passing the fonts around among friends and making them available via a network. You might find yourself in violation of their licenses if you aren't careful. I don't see why they should mind, personally, but I wouldn't take it for granted. Also be aware that the fonts get VERY large. If you want more than just the lw and or lw+ bitmaps, you're going to be posting for quite a while. >I'd be very interested in getting copies of the NFNTs, >>but I don't have FTP access. I'm sure there are others in a similar >>situation. They are available from CompuServe and from GENie (in the Letraset forum) right now. >I'd actually like to see >fonts (USEFUL fonts, mind you) posted in comp.binaries.mac, especially >NFNTs. What about some of the (other) public-domain fonts? "Boston," >for example. Boston isn't public-domain. It's shareware. Chuq Von Rospach Editor/Publisher, OtherRealms chuq@sun.COM When you're up to your *ss in alligators, it's hard to remember your initial objective was to drain the swamp.
schaerer@unizh.UUCP (schaerer) (12/13/88)
Followup-To: Distribution: Organization: University of Zurich, Dept. of Computer Science Keywords: > I would like to get the laserwriter screen fonts (the font files with the > italic and bold other variations) for times, symbol, and helvetica. > Could I ftp them from somebody? Would it make sense to post them to comp.binaries.mac? -- Daniel Schaerer / schaerer@ifi.unizh.ch
nancy@ftp.COM (Nancy Connor) (12/14/88)
Yes, I'd love to see Program. I think it's pretty lousy that nobody offers non-proportional fonts. I need to include screen dumps of PC screens (which are non-proportional, of course) in our documentation, and there are no fonts available for me to do it with. I've requested them from several companies, and everyone I've talked to has asked "Why? You always want to use proportional fonts, they're better!" When I explain why I want them, they say that they don't have enough demand to justify providing them. -Nancy Connor FTP Software
preese@dewey.soe.berkeley.edu (Phil Reese) (12/14/88)
In article <475@ftp.COM> nancy@ftp.COM (Nancy Connor) writes: >Yes, I'd love to see Program. I think it's pretty lousy that nobody >offers non-proportional fonts. I need to include screen dumps of PC > > -Nancy Connor > FTP Software BMUG in Berkeley has a font disk that has a downloadable LaserWriter font called IBMKLone. This is a font which mimics the 'look and feel' of the IBM font. The downloadable nature of it means that it would look good when scaled and printed on a LaserWriter. This disk, Fonts 10, also contains several other downloadable laser fonts for special purpose applications, like flyers etc. You can purchase the disk for $3 from BMUG, 1442A Walnut St., #62, Berkeley, CA 94709, 415-549-2684. Also feel free to join BMUG and receive that 'one-pound newsletter' (see David Bunnell's editorial on page 53 of the January '89 MacWorld). Phil Reese SESAME Group and BMUG School of Ed, UC Berkeley preese@dewey.soe.berkeley.edu {decvax,dual,hplabs,sdcsvax,ulysses}!ucbvax!dewey.soe!preese
peter@aucs.UUCP (Peter Steele) (12/15/88)
> <It takes a lot of work to translate these into NFNTs, apparently because when > <Adobe did the originals they weren't carefully done and some of the FOND info > <is in slightly out-of-date form. It is not difficult to make these proper n-fonts. You can do it with N-Font, a PD program, or Suitcase II. My main beef with the fonts is that fonts are not the same "width" as the normal fonts of these names. All my documents I had nicely formatted in the old times font now take more space than before and I have to go through and completely repaginate to fix things up. Also, they seem very poor printed on the imagewriter. And there is no 20 point size (so I can't get high-rez 10 point text on an imagewriter). They are nicer on the screen though... -- Peter Steele, Microcomputer Applications Analyst Acadia University, Wolfville, NS, Canada B0P1X0 (902)542-2201x121 UUCP: {uunet|watmath|utai|garfield}!dalcs!aucs!Peter BITNET: Peter@Acadia Internet: Peter%Acadia.BITNET@CUNYVM.CUNY.EDU
jackd@copper.SDP.TEK.COM (Jack Decker) (12/16/88)
In article <81330@sun.uucp> chuq@sun.UUCP (Chuq Von Rospach) writes: > >Before you do this, I suggest you double-check with Adobe that it's okay. >there's a big difference between passing the fonts around among friends and >making them available via a network. You might find yourself in violation of >their licenses if you aren't careful. I don't see why they should mind, >personally, but I wouldn't take it for granted. > Has anyone heard of a recent court ruling pertaining to the copywrite status of computer fonts? Someone told me that the court held that the underlying code to generate fonts (the printed form, not just the screen version) was held to be unprotected. Of course my friend could just be rationalizing--he's got 75 purloined fonts sitting on his hard disk. jack decker
jackd@copper.SDP.TEK.COM (Jack Decker) (12/16/88)
In article <475@ftp.COM> nancy@ftp.COM (Nancy Connor) writes: >Yes, I'd love to see Program. I think it's pretty lousy that nobody >offers non-proportional fonts. I need to include screen dumps of PC >screens (which are non-proportional, of course) in our documentation, Gee, I thought Adobe's Courier, Orator, Prestige Elite, and American Typewriter (to name a few) were non-proportional. I admitt they may not be very pretty, but can be used for illustrating screens and program listings. BTW--have used Inset to produce IBM screen dumps? It will produce a MacPaint file so you don't have to manually enter text. jack decker
prince@maui.cs.ucla.edu (Larry Prince) (12/16/88)
In article <3524@tekig4.TEK.COM> briand@tekig4.TEK.COM (Brian Diehm) writes: > >I have these disks, and can set them up so that they can be ftp'd from this >machine. But wait, there's more. > > [ explanation about setting them up as NFNT's ] > >The penalty is that you must tell me the form that they need to be in so that >you can ftp them across. Or should I try to post them in BinHex 4.0? Or as a >StuffIt Archive? Or what? I may have spent hours on making them NFNTs, but I >definitely DON'T want so spend hours emailing them or posting them, so let's >keep this simple, eh? > I vote for posting them as .SIT archive files! ( f ) ( l o ) ( i d ) ( n d ) ( e e ) ( r ) UCLA Computer Science Department -- Larry 3413 Boelter Hall Los Angeles 90024 (213) 825-2145 Prince UUCP: {ucbvax,sdcrdcf}!ucla-cs!prince ARPAnet: prince@CS.UCLA.EDU
chuq%plaid@Sun.COM (Chuq Von Rospach) (12/16/88)
>Has anyone heard of a recent court ruling pertaining to the copywrite >status of computer fonts? Someone told me that the court held that >the underlying code to generate fonts (the printed form, not just the >screen version) was held to be unprotected. Of course my friend could >just be rationalizing--he's got 75 purloined fonts sitting on his hard >disk. Actually, this doesn't matter -- Adobe fonts are protected by license instead of (as well as?) copyright, so even if there isn't a copyright restriction, the license you agree to when you open the package (or download from CompuServe) would still be in effect. Chuq Von Rospach Editor/Publisher, OtherRealms chuq@sun.COM When you're up to your *ss in alligators, it's hard to remember your initial objective was to drain the swamp.
hammen@lakesys.UUCP (Robert J. Hammen) (12/20/88)
>In article <888@esquire.UUCP> sbb@esquire.UUCP (Stephen B. Baumgarten) writes: >>In article <3524@tekig4.TEK.COM> briand@tekig4.TEK.COM (Brian Diehm) writes: >>[offers NFNT'd LaserWriter fonts to us] > >>Why not run Stuffit on them, then BinHex them and post them to >>comp.binaries.mac? I'd be very interested in getting copies of the NFNTs, >>but I don't have FTP access. I'm sure there are others in a similar >>situation. Uh, folks, before you go posting this stuff on the networks and make it available for FTP from everywhere, shouldn't you check with Adobe to make sure that you can LEGALLY post these screen fonts? Adobe makes them available on CompuServe, sells them for $50 per screen font package, and lets service bureaus redistribute them (as long as they sign an agreement with Adobe). They are also available in the LetraSet roundtable on GEnie. I don't think they will like them being posted here without their permission, and in a modified form, yet (NFNT's). As far as NFNT's go, you should get Suitcase II, MasterJuggler, or the freeware NFNT 1.1 program (from Olduvai Software) to create the NFNT's on your system. Robert
rcbaab@eutrc3.UUCP (Annard Brouwer) (12/23/88)
In article <888@esquire.UUCP> sbb@esquire.UUCP (Stephen B. Baumgarten) writes: >Why not run Stuffit on them, then BinHex them and post them to >comp.binaries.mac? I'd be very interested in getting copies of the NFNTs, >but I don't have FTP access. I'm sure there are others in a similar >situation. > There are many people over here who would also be very interested in them! I totally agree with you Stephen! Annard.