chris@accuvax.nwu.edu (Chris Krohn) (12/28/88)
Even when booting originally from a floppy, Robert is still correct, as Apple does not currently provide a method of switching to the Network volume as the "startup" volume. If some third party company has developed a product which will do this, they are staying afwully quiet about it.... Christopher Krohn Northwestern University Academic Computing & Network Services
dlugose@ecsvax.uncecs.edu (Dan Dlugose) (12/28/88)
In article <10330105@accuvax.nwu.edu> chris@accuvax.nwu.edu (Chris Krohn) writes: > Even when booting originally from a floppy, Robert is still >correct, as Apple does not currently provide a method of switching to >the Network volume as the "startup" volume. > If some third party company has developed a product which will >do this, they are staying afwully quiet about it.... With Macs in a 3Comm network, after booting from a floppy, it is easy to switch over to a System stored on the server. I've done this here, but can't answer more questions, as it's not set up now. Of course 3Comm runs something SIMILAR to Appleshare. Dan
kaufman@polya.Stanford.EDU (Marc T. Kaufman) (12/29/88)
In article <10330105@accuvax.nwu.edu> chris@accuvax.nwu.edu (Chris Krohn) writes: Even when booting originally from a floppy, Robert is still >correct, as Apple does not currently provide a method of switching to >the Network volume as the "startup" volume. If some third party company has developed a product which will >do this, they are staying afwully quiet about it.... In "Cards and Drivers", there is a statement that a NuBus card can be made the boot device if the right stuff is put into the ROM. Perhaps one of the ethernet card manufacturers would like to do this... Marc Kaufman (kaufman@polya.stanford.edu)
jimc@vax.3Com.Com (Jim Christy) (12/29/88)
In article <6138@ecsvax.uncecs.edu>, dlugose@ecsvax.uncecs.edu (Dan Dlugose) writes: > In article <10330105@accuvax.nwu.edu> chris@accuvax.nwu.edu (Chris Krohn) writes: > > Even when booting originally from a floppy, Robert is still > >correct, as Apple does not currently provide a method of switching to > >the Network volume as the "startup" volume. > > If some third party company has developed a product which will > >do this, they are staying afwully quiet about it.... > With Macs in a 3Comm network, after booting from a floppy, it is > easy to switch over to a System stored on the server. I've done this > here, but can't answer more questions, as it's not set up now. Of > course 3Comm runs something SIMILAR to Appleshare. > Dan 3Com allows switch launching because each user has a private shared folder (a directory subtree) on a network server called a Home Folder. Only one user at a time can be linked to the Home Folder. This prevents conflicts in accessing system files. After the Home Folder is mounted, the 3+ external file system on the client resets the bits "bNoSwitchTo" and "bNoSysDir" for the PBHGetVolParms call that is made relative to the Home Folder (see Inside Mac volume 5, pg 392). Jim Christy 3Com Corp.
joseph@elbereth.rutgers.edu (Seymour Joseph) (01/01/89)
The bandwith of LocalTalk is low enough that not booting from the network was a concious decision by Apple. LocalTalk is a data sharing netword intended for the exchange of FILES, it is not intended to provide sufficient speed for launching applications (though many people use it this way) nor for launching the OS. If you ran your system off of a remote server for a while you would probably switch back to having it local. That local floppy should be lots faster than the remote server, especially if you are on a fairly busy network and other people are sharing your system with you. Seymour
uh@bsiao.UUCP (Uul Haanstra) (01/02/89)
in article <Dec.31.17.42.54.1988.6391@elbereth.rutgers.edu>, joseph@elbereth.rutgers.edu (Seymour Joseph) says: > > The bandwith of LocalTalk is low enough that not booting from the > network was a concious decision by Apple. LocalTalk is a data > sharing netword intended for the exchange of FILES, it is not intended > to provide sufficient speed for launching applications (though many > people use it this way) nor for launching the OS. If you ran your > system off of a remote server for a while you would probably switch > back to having it local... Correct. Therefore I have set up a 1Mb RAM disk that reads the system from the 3COM server I connect to. Giving all users a few Mb extra is cheaper than a hard disk. And it eliminates a lot of problems with backups (done automatically on the 3COM) and software distribution (only one version of each generally accessible program, such as Word and Excel). With 4 Mb I can have the RAM disk, Word and Excel open all day, and still have room for another program I might need. -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Uul Haanstra, Postbank N.V. Amsterdam ...!mcvax!bsiao!uh Pb 21009 1000 EX AMSTERDAM +31-20 584 3312
siegel@endor.harvard.edu (Rich Siegel) (01/03/89)
In article <510@bsiao.UUCP> uh@bsiao.UUCP (Uul Haanstra) writes: >the 3COM server I connect to. Giving all users a few Mb extra is cheaper >than a hard disk. And it eliminates a lot of problems with backups (done In what universe? I can purchase a 40 MB hard disk for $700, but one MB CMOS SIMMs for a Mac run about $400 apiece.... But it would be nice to boot remotely... --Rich Rich Siegel Staff Software Developer THINK Technologies Division, Symantec Corp. Internet: siegel@endor.harvard.edu UUCP: ..harvard!endor!siegel Phone: (617) 275-4800 x305 Any opinions stated in this article do not necessarily reflect the views or policies of Symantec Corporation or its employees.
cosmos@druhi.ATT.COM (Ronald A. Guest) (01/04/89)
An earlier posting said the Localtalk was too slow to support a networked startup volume. It probably is, but Apple also officialy supports Ethertalk, which is much faster and would provide reasonable performance. Third party vendors are able to support it, and Apple should too. Ronald A. Guest, Supervisor cosmos@druhi.ATT.COM or att!druhi!cosmos AT&T Bell Laboratories <--- but these are my thoughts, not theirs 12110 N. Pecos St. Denver, Colorado 80234 (303) 538-4896