[comp.sys.mac] Moire2.22 and GateKeeper1.0 conflict...

franco@bbn.com (Frank A. Lonigro) (01/18/89)

For some reason when I have GateKeeper installed, after about 3 to 5 minutes
of the Moire screensaver running, the screensaver stops and the screen returns
back to normal(not black) except for the menu bar.  The menu bar is left
blackened and moire is locked up.  At this point I still have access to the
menus, although I can't see the titles of them until I click in the correct
spot to choose that particular menu, so I go into the control panel and try
to choose Moire and the control panel complains that the application isn't
present or is locked, or some such thing.  I then choose GateKeeper from
the control panel, expecting it to tell me that some virus or something
infected or corupted something on my disk, but it reports nothing.  The
reason I checked GateKeeper was because I had just installed the new Vaccine
plus GateKeeper itself earler today and just before Moire stoped running I
heard my disk being accessed or written to.  I also ran Interferon3.1 and
I'm not infected.

Anyway, when I took GateKeeper out of my system folder, Moire2.22 runs fine
and doesn't unexpectedly quit.  BTW, I've been running system software 6.0.2
and Moire2.22 for several weeks now without any problems.  The first time
this strange problem showed itself was today after installing GateKeeper
for the first time.  Also, the problem is reproducable.  I just have to
re-install GateKeeper, re-boot, let Moire start up and BOOM!!, Moire quits.
I know, because I've done it twice.

Anybody know what's happening here???

-franco

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chrisj@ut-emx.UUCP (Chris Johnson) (01/19/89)

In article <34700@bbn.COM> franco@bbn.com (Frank A. Lonigro) writes:
>For some reason when I have GateKeeper installed, after about 3 to 5 minutes
>of the Moire screensaver running, the screensaver stops and the screen returns
>back to normal(not black) except for the menu bar.  The menu bar is left
>blackened and moire is locked up.
>
>Anyway, when I took GateKeeper out of my system folder, Moire2.22 runs fine
>and doesn't unexpectedly quit.  BTW, I've been running system software 6.0.2
>and Moire2.22 for several weeks now without any problems.  The first time
>this strange problem showed itself was today after installing GateKeeper
>for the first time.  Also, the problem is reproducable.  I just have to
>re-install GateKeeper, re-boot, let Moire start up and BOOM!!, Moire quits.
>I know, because I've done it twice.
>
>Anybody know what's happening here???
>
>-franco

Thanks for trying GateKeeper.  Unfortunately, I can't reproduce the problem
you're having.  I'm currently running GateKeeper on a Mac II with System 6.0.2
and Moire 2.22 and I'm not having any problems.  In fact I've been running
GateKeeper since (I believe) its alpha-2 version on this system, without 
incident.

However, there can be conflicts between GateKeeper and Moire.  The key is to
make certain that Moire installs before GateKeeper does.  All of the copies of
Moire I've ever received came pre-named with a space as the first letter of
the name, which does guarantee that Moire will install before GateKeeper.  If
your copy does not have a space at the beginning of its name, you should be 
able to correct the problem by adding that space. 

Hope this helps,
----Chris Johnson
----Author of GateKeeper

ps01@bunny.UUCP (Paul L. Suh) (01/19/89)

In article <9570@ut-emx.UUCP> chrisj@emx.UUCP (Chris Johnson) writes:
>In article <34700@bbn.COM> franco@bbn.com (Frank A. Lonigro) writes:
>>For some reason when I have GateKeeper installed, after about 3 to 5 minutes
>>of the Moire screensaver running, the screensaver stops and the screen returns
>>back to normal(not black) except for the menu bar.  The menu bar is left
>>blackened and moire is locked up.

>>-franco

>However, there can be conflicts between GateKeeper and Moire.  The key is to
>make certain that Moire installs before GateKeeper does.  All of the copies of
>Moire I've ever received came pre-named with a space as the first letter of
>the name, which does guarantee that Moire will install before GateKeeper.  If

>Hope this helps,
>----Chris Johnson
>----Author of GateKeeper

There is also a similar problem with Gatekeeper and Microsoft Mail (Previously
known as Intermail) _and_ Moire!!  It turns out that Microsoft Mail needs to be
loaded _before_ Moire (why? you got me...), and also before Gatekeeper.

The little bit of a peeve I have about this situation is that
anti-virals should be the _first_ INITs loaded, so that they will catch
the INITs of viruses.  If you have to load other INITs before
Gatekeeper...  You get my drift.  A way around this _might_ (I don't
have source code so I don't know) be if there was a patch to Gatekeeper
which allowed it to grant privileges to INIT/cdev/RDEV files as well as
ZSYS/FNDR/APPL's.  The first three appear in the 'Type' 3 resource, but
don't show up in the SFP dialog when you click on the "Add..." button.


					--Paul
					ps01@gte-labs.COM