schitre@jarthur.Claremont.EDU (Sunil Chitre) (02/01/89)
Hello. I have a major problem with the new Mac IIx. My electrical engineering professor just bought one on a research grant, and when I went to talk to him about it (I'd like one myself, I have an SE now) he showed me a number of programs that will not run. At all. In multifinder a system quit message appears. In finder, the system crashs and must be restarted. This is not in the least limited to a single program. He showed me four programs that did this in the few minutes I was there. He has now found several others, including an old Mac mainstay, MacWrite. What's the real deal? Is this a problem inherent with the system, or is it that the programs that don't work need to be re-written to be 030 compatible? I wanted to get the IIx to run the A/UX system, since it would be very useful at my school, but I don't want to go $7500 in debt to buy a system that wont run my software. I'll be posting a list of problematic software later this week, after my Prof has had a chance to finish trying all the programs he uses. Until then - "What do you mean the backups haven't been done for a month and a half?" Sunil -Faustus Majoris -Devious Bastard
ephraim@think.COM (Ephraim Vishniac) (02/02/89)
In article <107@jarthur.Claremont.EDU> schitre@jarthur.UUCP (Sunil Chitre) writes: >Hello. I have a major problem with the new Mac IIx. My electrical engineering >professor just bought one on a research grant, and when I went to talk to him >about it (I'd like one myself, I have an SE now) he showed me a number of >programs that will not run. At all. In multifinder a system quit message >appears. In finder, the system crashs and must be restarted. >This is not in the least limited to a single program. He showed me four >programs that did this in the few minutes I was there. He has now found >several others, including an old Mac mainstay, MacWrite. Have you talked to your Apple dealer (or other vendors) to check that you are running the *current versions* of the software in question? Many software packages had serious problems when the Mac II came out. 99% have been fixed. MacWrite 4.5, for example, would not run on *any* 68020-based machine. (68010 and 68030, ditto.) MacWrite 4.6 does, quite happily, as does MacWrite 5.0. MacPaint 1.5 has major brain damage on a Mac II, but MacPaint 2.0 is flawless (with respect to compatibility, anyway). Public domain software is a special problem. Much of this is (or was, before the Mac II) written with little regard to compatibility, and tested only on whatever machine the author has on his desk. My Jasmine disk came loaded with PD software that crashed in spectacular ways. Still, new programs have risen to take over from the fallen heroes of the past. I have no problem at all finding commercial and PD software that runs well on my Mac II. Ephraim Vishniac ephraim@think.com Thinking Machines Corporation / 245 First Street / Cambridge, MA 02142-1214 "Arlo Guthrie, it seems, has found what he was looking for: God, and the Macintosh." (Boston Globe)
u545731798ea@deneb.ucdavis.edu (Greg DeMichillie) (02/02/89)
In article <107@jarthur.Claremont.EDU> schitre@jarthur.UUCP (Sunil Chitre) writes: >Hello. I have a major problem with the new Mac IIx. My electrical engineering >professor just bought one on a research grant, and when I went to talk to him >about it (I'd like one myself, I have an SE now) he showed me a number of >programs that will not run. At all. In multifinder a system quit message >appears. In finder, the system crashs and must be restarted. > >This is not in the least limited to a single program. He showed me four >programs that did this in the few minutes I was there. He has now found >several others, including an old Mac mainstay, MacWrite. ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ Just HOW old is your MacWrite. Old versions (prior to 4.6, I think) will not run on the Mac II or IIx. You must upgrade to 4.6 or later. As for the other programs, the same thing may be happening. If your professor is anything like our typical users, they haven't upgraded their software in a long time and are using pre-Mac II software. (As a side note, I still see disks coming in with Finder 1.1g on them!) If a program runs on a II, it should run on a IIx. If it won't run on a II, it's not going to run on a IIx. >Sunil >-Faustus Majoris >-Devious Bastard ----- Greg DeMichillie Apple Student Rep - UC Davis lgdemichillie@ucdavis.edu AppleLink: ST0178 Disclaimer: If you've seen one disclaimer, you've seen them all.
jfm@ruddles.sprl.umich.edu.engin.umich.edu (John F. Mansfield) (02/02/89)
In article <35965@think.UUCP> ephraim@think.com (Ephraim Vishniac) writes: >MacWrite 5.0. MacPaint 1.5 has major brain damage on a Mac II, but ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ Only if you keep the Mac in more than 2 bit display mode. It seems to run OK on my Mac with just a black and white display. John Mansfield North Campus Electron Microbeam Analysis Laboratory 2455 Hayward, Ann Arbor, Michigan 48109-2143. 313-936-3352 Internet: jfm@ruddles.sprl.umich.edu or john_mansfield.um.cc.umich.edu
holland@m2.csc.ti.com (Fred Hollander) (02/03/89)
In article <3590@ucdavis.ucdavis.edu> lgdemichillie@ucdavis.edu (Greg DeMichillie) writes: > >In article <107@jarthur.Claremont.EDU> schitre@jarthur.UUCP (Sunil Chitre) writes: >>This is not in the least limited to a single program. He showed me four >>programs that did this in the few minutes I was there. He has now found >>several others, including an old Mac mainstay, MacWrite. > ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ >Just HOW old is your MacWrite. Old versions (prior to 4.6, I think) will >not run on the Mac II or IIx. You must upgrade to 4.6 or later. As for > >If a program runs on a II, it should run on a IIx. If it won't run on a II, >it's not going to run on a IIx. I've heard that Illustrator 88 does not run a IIx, even though it runs on a II (with color). Is anyone using (or trying to use) Illustrator on a IIx? Does anyone know why it might not work on a '30 when it works on a '20? > >>Sunil >>-Faustus Majoris >>-Devious Bastard Sunil, when you post the list of incompatible applications, please post the version numbers. > >----- >Greg DeMichillie >Apple Student Rep - UC Davis >lgdemichillie@ucdavis.edu >AppleLink: ST0178 > >Disclaimer: If you've seen one disclaimer, you've seen them all. Fred Hollander Computer Science Center Texas Instruments, Inc. holland%ti-csl@csnet-rela The above statements are my own and not representative of Texas Instruments.