makmur@topaz.rutgers.edu (Hanz Makmur) (02/03/89)
hi...I need help real bad from any body out there who have installed an appleshare network. I was given the project after i was successfully installed the TOPS network 2 Years ago flawlessly.( God I love Tops!!) i am setting up an appleshare network for 13 Macs SE and 6 ATT 6300 and 1 IBMPC.(About the 1/5 x number of machines when I was installing TOPS) From what i have experienced so far, i can list a couple problems that i hope some one out there may have answers for it. 1. all 12 macs can access the server (the SE with 4M memory) with no problem. In the Server, I put MacWrite 5.01 that has a SHARED bit checked using DiskTop 3.3.(In ResEdit1.2B, the same bit says CACHED) to make the MacWrite multilaunch.( On TOPS, this is a must to make an application multilauch.) First test,I opened 12 Macwrite at the same time. All run!! Wonderfull !!. Second try,start MW one by one. this is where the problem comes. The message "File is busy or damaged:MacWrite 5.01" showed up after 6 Macwrite. After this, I found my self in a very strange situation, I could no longer execute any application from the server. Not even the program that support Networking like Excel1.5 until one of the Macwrite is back on the finder. After excel is executed, one more mac write can now be launched. @#$@$% ??? (:-( Third test, I replaced the Macwrite, this time with no bit modification. try the same test. the result was the same as above + sometimes it only let me open 4 macwrite.(This would never happen under TOPS) Fourth test,redo all the appleshare installation, I put a macwrite in the server with no bit modification. I launched one macwrite. and after that, i launched another and funny, the same message showed up but this time with only 1 macwrite running. (With TOPS this will surely occured) Fifth test, I checked the SHARED bit using the disktop3.3 and tried opening all 12 macwrite at the same time... It worked. And when I try opening it one by one, again the same error showed up. Sixth test, I used the Doppler Maker that supposedly have the option to make an application multilaunch, the result: the same as before. Maximum 6 MacWrite can be opened and when the busy message showed none of the program located inthe server can be executed. After spending so much time on IT, I begun to think that Tops is much superior that the Appleshare when we speak of getting things RUNNING flawlessly. The question I have in mind, Is it the MacWrite5.01 or the AppleShare that mess things UP ?? and If any one have a solution, I would really appreciate any help you can give. **** Thanks in advanced.!!***** 2. the success rate of the Appleshare card on the ATT was 60%,(2 out of 6 fail) to work properly. and the the installation on the PC was a total failure. According to an apple salesman, the ApplesharePC card doesnot work with PC but the AppleShare PC card manual says it should work. If anyone out there ever installed the card, could you guys let me know ?? (Thanks !!) NB: -I do know thatMacwrite is not a network compatible BUT it works UNDER TOPS. -I do know that Fileserver should be used for File exchange, BUT who in the right mind would spend thousand of $$ to do JUST that. -I tried MacWrite 5.0 but the result is disasterous and not worth mentioning. -Ohya, My network is VIRUS FREE. THank you for your time reading this I hope somebody out there can give some help on this matter. ---- Hanz Makmur Rutgers University
shane@chablis.cc.umich.edu (Shane Looker) (02/04/89)
[long tale of woe with MacWrite 5.01 on AppleShare deleted] Here are a few suggestions. First, make sure that the folder which has MacWrite 5.01 is write protected. This will guarantee that none of the applications is trying to modify the application without permission. Secend, you don't mention what the LocalTalk network is like. Is it AppleTalk, or PhoneNet cabling? What is the length? What else is running over the net? If the length is too long, or the net is too heavily loaded, you can get timeouts on the AFP packets, which make it look like the application is damaged. (As a note, we are running file servers in our public sites, sharing a single copy of MacWrite 5.01 without a problem (at least specific to MacWrite).) Shane Looker | Looker@um.cc.umich.edu | shane@chablis.cc.umich.edu
mithomas@bsu-cs.UUCP (Michael Thomas Niehaus) (02/04/89)
In article <Feb.3.00.26.45.1989.18494@topaz.rutgers.edu>, makmur@topaz.rutgers.edu (Hanz Makmur) writes: > > hi...I need help real bad from any body out there who have installed > an appleshare network. I was given the project after i was successfully > installed the TOPS network 2 Years ago flawlessly.( God I love Tops!!) > > i am setting up an appleshare network for 13 Macs SE and 6 ATT 6300 > and 1 IBMPC.(About the 1/5 x number of machines when I was installing TOPS) > > From what i have experienced so far, i can list a couple problems > that i hope some one out there may have answers for it. > > 1. all 12 macs can access the server (the SE with 4M memory) with no problem. > In the Server, I put MacWrite 5.01 that has a SHARED bit checked using > DiskTop 3.3.(In ResEdit1.2B, the same bit says CACHED) to make the MacWrite > multilaunch.( On TOPS, this is a must to make an application multilauch.) [Various steps deleted] > 2. the success rate of the Appleshare card on the ATT was 60%,(2 out of 6 fail) > to work properly. and the the installation on the PC was a total failure. > According to an apple salesman, the ApplesharePC card doesnot work with PC > but the AppleShare PC card manual says it should work. If anyone out there > ever installed the card, could you guys let me know ?? (Thanks !!) > Hanz Makmur > Rutgers University For question number 1: Here I have installed 4 AppleShare networks (in fact, I got three up and running in one day). I encountered no real problems (except where to put the server so that it wouldn't be disturbed). I did have to use ResEdit to set the {CACHED, SHARED} bit (depending on the version; see the tech note that discusses the switch in versions prior to 1.2B3), just as you did. We can multilaunch as many copies of MacWrite 5.01 as we want. In fact, to test the speed of the network, we went around to all 22 stations and launched each application to test response times. No problems at all. There was one thing that we may have had different: the applications are locked on the fileservers here so that they can not be moved or erased. For number 2: I have installed boards in AT&T PC6300s, Zenith 148s, IBM PS/2 model 30s, and have had no problems with any of the installations. Except for the one that had an older LocalTalk PC card. If you use a card with the old ROMs, running the DA program will lock the machine up, with it beeping every time you hit return. You may want to check to see if any other cards are conflicting with the LocalTalk card (we noticed that our Microsoft Bus Mouse was trying to use the same area that our card wanted to use, so we removed the mouse, since no one used it on the Zenith anyway). I would think that a LocalTalk PC card could be installed in a plain IBM PC but since I have never tried it, I can't be sure. Michael Niehaus Apple Student Rep Ball State University UUCP: ..!{pur-ee,iuvax}!bsu-cs!mithomas AppleLink: ST0374
merchant@eleazar.dartmouth.edu (Peter Merchant) (02/05/89)
In article <Feb.3.00.26.45.1989.18494@topaz.rutgers.edu> Hanz Makmur writes: >2. the success rate of the Appleshare card on the ATT was 60%,(2 out of 6 fail) > to work properly. and the the installation on the PC was a total failure. > According to an apple salesman, the ApplesharePC card doesnot work with PC > but the AppleShare PC card manual says it should work. If anyone out there > ever installed the card, could you guys let me know ?? (Thanks !!) Well, I've installed AppleShare PC in an IBM PC and it worked fine. I've also installed them in PC-XTs and Zenith Z-286s. It's worked flawlessly. On the PC end, check and make certain that you don't have any other drivers than the AppleTalk ones. At one point I had my mouse and my AppleShare both talking on on the COM1: port and it was not pretty. Also, check your ROM. I was told that early ROMs require an AT class machine because they use arithmatic operations specific to the 80286 to figure out checksums. (And, of course, since developers use '286 or '386 machines, no one noticed the bug 'til it got out) I think you need version 2 of the ROM. I assume the AT&T is an 8086... --- "Tired and lonely, Peter Merchant (merchant@eleazar.UUCP) I'm calling for you..." (Peter.G.Merchant@dartmouth.EDU)
shoemake@Apple.COM (Mike Shoemaker) (02/05/89)
From article <12090@dartvax.Dartmouth.EDU>, by merchant@eleazar.dartmouth.edu (Peter Merchant): > In article <Feb.3.00.26.45.1989.18494@topaz.rutgers.edu> Hanz Makmur writes: >>2. the success rate of the Appleshare card on the ATT was 60%,(2 out of 6 fail) >> to work properly. and the the installation on the PC was a total failure. >> According to an apple salesman, the ApplesharePC card doesnot work with PC >> but the AppleShare PC card manual says it should work. If anyone out there >> ever installed the card, could you guys let me know ?? (Thanks !!) > > Well, I've installed AppleShare PC in an IBM PC and it worked fine. I've also > installed them in PC-XTs and Zenith Z-286s. It's worked flawlessly. > > On the PC end, check and make certain that you don't have any other drivers > than the AppleTalk ones. At one point I had my mouse and my AppleShare both > talking on on the COM1: port and it was not pretty. > > Also, check your ROM. I was told that early ROMs require an AT class machine > because they use arithmatic operations specific to the 80286 to figure out > checksums. (And, of course, since developers use '286 or '386 machines, no > one noticed the bug 'til it got out) I think you need version 2 of the ROM. > I assume the AT&T is an 8086... > --- > "Tired and lonely, Peter Merchant (merchant@eleazar.UUCP) > I'm calling for you..." (Peter.G.Merchant@dartmouth.EDU) The LocalTalk PC card does work on plain IBM PCs. If you are using version 1.1 of AppleShare PC, turn off all three interrupt switches on the card, and you can save your self some conflict problems with modems and mice. I've communicated with Hanz Makmur, and he's since had much better results with his AT&T machines. As to the checksum item mentioned by Peter, it has nothing to do with using '286 specific instructions. The processor that executes the firmware on the card is a 6502. Mike Shoemaker (shoemake@apple.com) Network Systems Development Apple Computer ------------------------ This is not an official pronouncement by my employer; just trying to help out.