mstuard@oucsace.cs.OHIOU.EDU (Mike Stuard) (02/01/89)
I recently accquired a hayes comptible modem and I was wondering
if there were any sequence dialers available for the mac. You know
something like in the movie War Games. I give it a prefix and it dials
all of the numbers in that prefix, If anyone knows of such programs please let
me know. I have already looked in the bitnet servers Macserve@pucc and
listserv@rice. I also do not have FTP capability.
Thanks
mike
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\-> 73100,3646 @ Compuserve(checked every blue moon or two)kiron@db1.CS.Concordia.CA (Kiron Bondale) (02/01/89)
In article <436@oucsace.cs.OHIOU.EDU> mstuard@oucsace.cs.OHIOU.EDU (Mike Stuard) writes: > > I recently accquired a hayes comptible modem and I was wondering >if there were any sequence dialers available for the mac. You know >something like in the movie War Games. I give it a prefix and it dials >all of the numbers in that prefix, If anyone knows of such programs please let me know. Well, I wrote one up a while ago and posted it to GEnie...it is an application and will let you dial a range of numbers, and will subsequently write any found ones to a log file... it IS shareware... if you are interested, leave e-mail. Kiron _____________________________________________________________ | Kiron D. Bondale | Concordia University | | Khan Noonian Singh "Did you ever read Milton?" | ----------habitat : kiron@sunkisd.CS.Concordia.CA------------
willcox@mcdurb.Urbana.Gould.COM (02/01/89)
Dear Mr. FBI: Please put a trace on this guy's phone. He is probably up to no good. But seriously, can anyone think of any legitimate use for such a thing?
AXS101@PSUVM.BITNET (Adrian Sullivan) (02/02/89)
In article <27200018@mcdurb>, willcox@mcdurb.Urbana.Gould.COM says: > >But seriously, can anyone think of any legitimate use for such a thing? > i can, i run a bbs here in pennsylvania, and have lost contact from a few of the other local bbs's. i *know* some of them must exist, but i have no way of finding them (yet). with this program, i'll be able to dial every number in town :) and find them all [also finding all my univerities computer system numbers ;-) ]. i'd appreciate it if the developer of this software would either post or e-mail it to me. thanks --==--==--==--==--==--==--==--==--==--==--==--==--==--==--==--==-- -Adrian Sullivan, Vice President PAMUG == -==- Little Mac BBs --==--==--==--==--==--==--==--==--==--==--== -==- (814) 238-4276 - axs101@psuvm.bitnet axs@psuarch.bitnet == -==- 2400/1200bps --==--==--==--==--==--==--==--==--==--==--== -==- 8-n-1 24hrs
kiron@db1.CS.Concordia.CA (Kiron Bondale) (02/02/89)
In article <27200018@mcdurb> willcox@mcdurb.Urbana.Gould.COM writes: > >But seriously, can anyone think of any legitimate use for such a thing? Well having created the baby, I suppose I should defend it -> yes... for example say your favorite BBS number's last digit slips your mind ... run my pgm. and you will be able to narrow down the choices significantly. Ok so it is lame... I programmed it as a programming exercise (and maybe earn some dough) but not to encourage stupidity... any illicit use of my program is not my responsibility but those of the individual... Kiron __________________________________________________________________ Kiron D. Bondale Concordia University, Mtl, Quebec, Canada "Never mourn Black Omne"-|_|-Habitat:kiron@sunkisd.CS.Concordia.CA __________________________________________________________________
mcdonald@fornax.UUCP (Ken Mcdonald) (02/02/89)
In article <69693AXS101@PSUVM>, AXS101@PSUVM.BITNET (Adrian Sullivan) writes: > way of finding them (yet). with this program, i'll be able to dial every > number in town :) and find them all [also finding all my univerities > > --==--==--==--==--==--==--==--==--==--==--==--==--==--==--==--==-- > -Adrian Sullivan, Vice President PAMUG == -==- Little Mac BBs > --==--==--==--==--==--==--==--==--==--==--== -==- (814) 238-4276 > - axs101@psuvm.bitnet axs@psuarch.bitnet == -==- 2400/1200bps > --==--==--==--==--==--==--==--==--==--==--== -==- 8-n-1 24hrs While I doubt Adrian Sullivan would dial every number in town, the existence of a program as the auto-dialer raises a disturbing question-- to what extent are we allowed to inconvenience others, for our own convenience. I'm kind of disappointed that people would even consider using a program like the one mentioned about. Is it really worth it to make thousands of people answer a wrong number just to find a few (probably mostly useless) modem numbers? If if all BBS operators and users started searching for other BBS's this way, they would create a major annoyance for "normal" phone users--including themselves! So think before you have your computer dial all the numbers in the phone book. If what you are doing is reasonable, then its reasonable to expect lots of others to do the same thing--and if this causes problems, then the activity wasn't very rational in the first place! Ken "'Scuse the Typos" McDonald {...!ubc-cs!mcdonald@fornax.uucp}
kiron@db1.CS.Concordia.CA (Kiron Bondale) (02/02/89)
Ok as soon as I have enough time to BinHex it and send it up, everyone out there will have their very own Dialer pgm... However : 1) I take no responsibility for damages, lawsuits, etc. resulting from use of the program 2) This is a shareware program... please honour this fact or future programs may not be forthcoming... Kiron __________________________________________________________________ Kiron D. Bondale Concordia University, Mtl, Quebec, Canada "Never mourn Black Omne"-|_|-Habitat:kiron@sunkisd.CS.Concordia.CA __________________________________________________________________
wb1j+@andrew.cmu.edu (William M. Bumgarner) (02/02/89)
There is another potentially beneficial use... You know those radio stations that have the silly voting polls-- set the Dialer to repeatedly dial one of the voting lines (either yes or no), and see how badly you can bend the vote count. Seriously, scanning for modems is kind of rude-- I hate it when a modem/person hangs up on me without ever acknowledging my existence. Where can a copy of this software be found? b.bum wb1j+@andrew.cmu.edu
pratt@boulder.Colorado.EDU (Jonathan Pratt) (02/02/89)
It's been suggested that there are legitimate uses for autodialing an
entire exchange (eg. finding bbs's). I disagree, and I expect the phone
company would too. This is a step worse than telemarketing, since you're
annoying several hundred people just to find a lost number. It seems to
me this is at least unethical and probably illegal.
Jonathan
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* Boulder, CO 80309 Phone: (303) 492-4293 */heberlei@iris.ucdavis.edu (Todd) (02/03/89)
Please don't do this! Auto-dialers are a real pain in the neck to everyone it calls, and it gives us computer hackers a bad name. Todd heberlein heberlei@iris.ucdavis.edu 128.120.57.20
elliston@rob.UUCP ( Keith Elliston) (02/04/89)
In article <oXu6H7y00V4M0A1WYt@andrew.cmu.edu>, wb1j+@andrew.cmu.edu (William M. Bumgarner) writes: > > Seriously, scanning for modems is kind of rude-- I hate it when a modem/person > hangs up on me without ever acknowledging my existence. > Isnt it illegal to dial up "random" numbers? I have heard that this recently (or not so recently) became illegal, due the those annoying automatic dialers that solicit things.... ie., recorded calls. Apparently they can only legally dial numbers listed in the phone book. I think they monitor lines for this kind of activity. Keith
isle@eleazar.dartmouth.edu (Ken Hancock) (02/06/89)
In article <863@fornax.UUCP> mcdonald@fornax.UUCP (Ken Mcdonald) writes: >In article <69693AXS101@PSUVM>, AXS101@PSUVM.BITNET (Adrian Sullivan) writes: > >> way of finding them (yet). with this program, i'll be able to dial every >> number in town :) and find them all [also finding all my univerities >> >While I doubt Adrian Sullivan would dial every number in town, the >existence of a program as the auto-dialer raises a disturbing question-- >to what extent are we allowed to inconvenience others, for our own >convenience. I'm kind of disappointed that people would even consider >using a program like the one mentioned about. Yeah, but how else can I partake in my favorite pastime of trying to break into top-secret computers and banks and all sorts of fun things when they keep changing the numbers on me? :-) Ken Disclaimer: My employer neither knows about, nor supports my efforts in espionage and theft. :-). Ken Hancock '90 | BITNET/UUCP/ Personal Computing Ctr Consultant | INTERNET: isle@eleazar.dartmouth.edu -----------------------------------+---------------------------------------- DISCLAIMER? I don't get paid enough to worry about disclaimers.
cramer@athens.iex.com (Bill Cramer) (02/06/89)
< [ misc comments about a Wargames-like autodialer ] >
In regards to the automatic dialing program which searches for modems:
In Texas (and I'm sure other states), the Public Utilities Commission (PUC)
prohibits the use of random or incremental dialing systems. Even automated
telemarketing dialers must be licensed and obey some fairly significant
restrictions on when they dial, the numbers they dial, and the nature of their
message.
Although I don't claim to have a firm grip on the Law, I suspect that the
same laws apply to a program which randomly looks for modem response. Before
you do something you may regret, have a chat with the phone company.
Bill Cramer
IEX Corporation
{uunet,convex,killer}!iex!cramervictoro@crash.cts.com (Victor O'Rear) (02/07/89)
In article <27200018@mcdurb> willcox@mcdurb.Urbana.Gould.COM writes: > >Dear Mr. FBI: > >Please put a trace on this guy's phone. He is probably up to no good. > >But seriously, can anyone think of any legitimate use for such a thing? How about compiling a list of BBS's in your area if your city is heavily into modems (as we are) and the state of BBS's surpases the only published list? How about if no-one publishes a good list? -- =============================================================================== | Victor O'Rear {hplabs!hp-sdd, cbosgd, ucsd, nosc.mil}!crash!victoro | | USnail: P.O. Box 3972, La Mesa, California 92044, United States of America| | mil : crash!victoro@nosc.ARPA and home: (619) 588-7423 (Sand Eigo, Ca) | | | | "Fools, Idiots! Don't they realize that they are dealing with forces | | beyond comprehension!" - "Doctor Science" | ===============================================================================
NU087533@NDSUVM1.BITNET (donald mccleary) (02/14/89)
With the scanners available today, wouldn't it be possible to scan phone numbers that are listed, and dial only the unlisted numbers? Yes, I know how long it would take to load in NYC phone book, but for smaller cities, this might be a viable alternative. (Takes care of the harassment problem, but probably not legal problems.)