[comp.sys.mac] Does 38ms vs 65ms make any difference?

zz1he@sdcc3.ucsd.EDU (Heather Ebey) (02/18/89)

Does 28ms or 38ms vs 65ms make any difference on a hard disk
connected to a MacPlus?  Is the MacPlus too slow to take
advantage of the faster access?

ech@pegasus.ATT.COM (Edward C Horvath) (02/20/89)

From article <4313@sdcc3.ucsd.EDU>, by zz1he@sdcc3.ucsd.EDU (Heather Ebey):
> Does 28ms or 38ms vs 65ms make any difference on a hard disk
> connected to a MacPlus?  Is the MacPlus too slow to take
> advantage of the faster access?

Urk!  Yes!  The SCSI port is *POLLED* on all Macs, not just the Plus: that
28/38/65ms delay is "dead time" -- interrupts can happen, but the program that
made the disk request is waiting for completion (even if the PBRead/Write was
"asynch".

Someday Apple may discover that wonder of 1961 technology, "Direct Memory
Access (DMA)".  You'll STILL want a fast disk...

=Ned Horvath=

steveg@tove.umd.edu (Steve Green) (02/20/89)

....yes, 27ms...... :-)

jwhitnell@cup.portal.com (Jerry D Whitnell) (02/21/89)

From article <4313@sdcc3.ucsd.EDU>, by zz1he@sdcc3.ucsd.EDU (Heather Ebey):     
> Does 28ms or 38ms vs 65ms make any difference on a hard disk                 
> connected to a MacPlus?  Is the MacPlus too slow to take                     
> advantage of the faster access?                                              
                                                                              
It depends on the drive (and the software).  It can make a difference, but there
are a lot of other factors that can affect performance as well.  For example,
the DataFrame XP40 (the model replaced by the XP 60), used a 65 ms drive
(according to the spec sheet).  However it was one of the fastest drives
available at the time of its release.  This is becuase of other
software/hardware tricks that SuperMac played to make it faster.  

The best place to measure a drives performance is at the user's level, not
a the drive level.  To see if a drive one drive is faster then another,
set up your normal configuration and try the things you normally do.  Copy
some files, launch the applications etc.  Playying with the size of the cache
can help, if you have memory to spare.
--
Jerry Whitnell                    Several Species of Small Furry
jwhitnell@cup.portal.com          Animals Gathered Together in a
..!sun!cup.portal.com!jwhitnell   Cave and Grooving with a PICT.
                                  -- Pink Floyd

wert@cup.portal.com (robert scott comer) (02/21/89)

Yea, so what about dead time? What are you going to do with that time
anyway? No matter what system you are using, multiuser or not, that time
is dead time FOR YOU. DMA will only help with the overhead of transferring
the data from the disk to the memory, a small percentage of the time
involved in the transaction.

Get the fast disk, if you can afford it  , because that is the one thing
that will help i/o performance, no matter whether you are connected to
a plus, an SE, a II, or a sun.

scott out