paryavi@harris.cis.ksu.edu (Saiid Paryavi) (03/13/89)
Does anyone have any information about Color Video boards for the SE/30?
Who makes them?
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In article <1237@deimos.cis.ksu.edu> paryavi@harris.cis.ksu.edu (Saiid Paryavi) writes: >Does anyone have any information about Color Video boards for the SE/30? >Who makes them? As far as I know, there *aren't* any...the impression that I've gotten is that companies aren't going to start making third party expansion boards for the new 32bit SE/30 slot until they see how well the marketplace reacts to it...considering that they have to redesign everything for this new bus (WHY Apple decided to summarily cut off all of the third party stuff that's already out there is beyond me..that's an incredible price to pay for speed), there hasn't (that I've seen) been much support for it. (Though to me it looks like a IIx packed into a George Jetson suitcase.) >-- >Saiid Paryavi Computer Science Dept. >Internet: paryavi@harris.cis.ksu.edu Nichols Hall >BITNET: paryavi@ksuvax1.bitnet Kansas State University >UUCP: {rutgers, texbell}!ksuvax1!harry!paryavi Manhattan, KS 66506
bmug@garnet.berkeley.edu (BMUG) (03/15/89)
In article <273@jolnet.ORPK.IL.US> brendan@jolnet.ORPK.IL.US (Brendan Kehoe) writes: >In article <1237@deimos.cis.ksu.edu> paryavi@harris.cis.ksu.edu (Saiid Paryavi) writes: >>Does anyone have any information about Color Video boards for the SE/30? >>Who makes them? > > As far as I know, there *aren't* any...the impression that I've gotten is >that companies aren't going to start making third party expansion boards for >the new 32bit SE/30 slot until they see how well the marketplace reacts to >it.. (editorial deleted) >>-- >>Saiid Paryavi Computer Science Dept. >>Internet: paryavi@harris.cis.ksu.edu Nichols Hall >>BITNET: paryavi@ksuvax1.bitnet Kansas State University >>UUCP: {rutgers, texbell}!ksuvax1!harry!paryavi Manhattan, KS 66506 SuperMac Technology announced a color board for the SE30 at the January MacWorld Expo in San Francisco; they had a prototype running with their 19" Trinitron monitor at the Apple booth. It appeared to work quite well. I don't recall how soon it will be shipping, however. There have also been persistent rumors of at least two companies coming out with 32-bit color boards for the SE30. It could very well be that Apple chose not to produce video boards of any type for the SE30 (even ones connecting their own just-announced monitors) in order to encourage third parties to produce entire lines of video boards for this machine (from 2-bit mono to 32-bit color). There isn't any question that there will be a pretty good market for these products. John Heckendorn /\ BMUG ARPA: bmug@garnet.berkeley.EDU A__A 1442A Walnut St., #62 BITNET: bmug@ucbgarnet |()| Berkeley, CA 94709 | | (415) 549-2684 | |
faubel@apollo.COM (Ken Faubel) (03/15/89)
In article <1237@deimos.cis.ksu.edu> paryavi@harris.cis.ksu.edu (Saiid Paryavi) writes: >Does anyone have any information about Color Video boards for the SE/30? >Who makes them? There are two color video boards that I know of for the SE/x. The first is from SuperMac. It has been discussed in several reviews of the SE/x because it was announced at the same time. I called and asked about the SuperMac board and it was pretty heavy duty. It can do a variety of modes including a 1024x768 256 color mode up through a 4K x 2K mono mode. The list price was about $1,800 something. The other is from RasterOps. The ColorBoard 108+/SE30 is shipping now according to MacWEEK (3/14/89). This one can do 256 colors or 256 levels of gray with 640x480 (13"), 800x600 (16"), and 1024x768 (19"). It can also do an "extended desktop" mode that gives you 8,192x768 than you pan over. They say it lists for $1,895. So it looks like there are some color boards but I have yet to see any smaller ones. I do not need a huge screen (although it would be fun). I would really like a simple 640x480 color board that works just like the color card in the Mac II. With the color QuickDraw ROMs it seems like just a matter of time before we see some low end cards. Ken -- Internet: faubel@apollo.COM UUCP: {decvax,mit-erl,yale}!apollo!faubel
kehr@felix.UUCP (Shirley Kehr) (03/15/89)
In article <273@jolnet.ORPK.IL.US> brendan@jolnet.ORPK.IL.US (Brendan Kehoe) writes: <In article <1237@deimos.cis.ksu.edu> paryavi@harris.cis.ksu.edu (Saiid Paryavi) writes: <>Does anyone have any information about Color Video boards for the SE/30? <>Who makes them? < < As far as I know, there *aren't* any... I called E-Machines as soon as I knew I was getting the SE/30. Their MONOCHROME solution is the Z-21 with four resolutions. That board is to ship mid April (I can hardly wait!) However, I'm pretty sure they are making a board for the color monitor too (T-21?). Their number is (503) 646-6699 (Oregon) if you want to call. I've always found them pleasant to talk to (but they never send the stuff they say they will). Shirley Kehr
kehr@felix.UUCP (Shirley Kehr) (03/15/89)
In article <21611@agate.BERKELEY.EDU> bmug@garnet.berkeley.edu (BMUG) writes:
<It could very well be that Apple chose not to produce video boards
<of any type for the SE30 (even ones connecting their own just-announced
<monitors) in order to encourage third parties to produce entire lines
<of video boards for this machine (from 2-bit mono to 32-bit color).
<There isn't any question that there will be a pretty good market
<for these products.
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<John Heckendorn
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Well, if you can believe things you read in the Macintosh II Report
(Thom Hogan and Michael Swaine), they say that E-Machines has uncovered
a nasty bug in the Apple hardware while testing their 24-bit color card.
It seems the HMMU (that occupies the spot where you will put the PMMU)
does the translation between 24-bit and 32-bit. It loses any interrupt request
that was pending when it switches from one mode to the other. The result
is a hang.
They say this problem doesn't occur with PMMU or 030s. They urge Apple
to go ahead and release the 24-bit color board and require a PMMU. Of
course, they suggest some price adjustments to make it less painful.
Shirley Kehresf00@uts.amdahl.com (Elliott S. Frank) (03/16/89)
>In article <1237@deimos.cis.ksu.edu> paryavi@harris.cis.ksu.edu (Saiid Paryavi) writes: >>Does anyone have any information about Color Video boards for the SE/30? >>Who makes them? > Check out SuperMac. I seem to remember that they just announced one. I saw at least one other prototype on the floor at the SF MacWorld. The SE/30's slot is actually the CPU buss. There's probably less engineering work involved in making a color card cooperate with the SE/30 than with the II[c][x]'s NuBus. -- Elliott Frank ...!{hplabs,ames,sun}!amdahl!esf00 (408) 746-6384 or ....!{bnrmtv,drivax,hoptoad}!amdahl!esf00 [the above opinions are strictly mine, if anyone's.] [the above signature may or may not be repeated, depending upon some inscrutable property of the mailer-of-the-week.]
fred@howtek.UUCP (Fred Giuffrida) (03/16/89)
I believe this week's MacWeek shows Steve Edelman of Supermac Technologies standing next to their brand new color video board (actually he's standing next to the monitor but you know what I mean) for the Mac SE30. -- -Fred.
Fabian@cup.portal.com (Fabian Fabe Ramirez) (03/17/89)
Greetings, Here's the latest and greatest information about video cards for the Mac SE/30: SuperMac Technology Spectrum/8 (Series II) for the Mac SE/30 will support the following monitors and/or resolutions: Apple 12" Monochrome 640 x 480 30.24 MHz Supplied Apple 13" Color 640 x 480 30.24 MHz Supplied Apple 15" Portrait Display 640 x 870 57.2832 MHz Supplied SuperMac 16" Trinitron 1024 x 768 64.00 MHz Supplied SuperMac 19" Trinitron 1024 x 768 64.00 MHz Supplied SuperMac 19" Standard Color 1024 x 768 64.00 MHz Supplied SuperMac 19" Grey Scale 1024 x 768 64.00 MHz Supplied Multisynchronous 640 x 480 24.00 MHz User-supplied Apple NTSC RGB 640 x 480 12.27 MHz User-supplied NTSC RGB 640 x 480 14.31818 MHz User-supplied PAL RGB 768 x 576 16.257 MHz User-supplied I should also note that we also provide a fourth oscillator socket for Custom monitor configurations. And don't forget about the hardware pan & zoom (2x) and Virtual Desktops (up to 4096 x 1536 in 1-bit mode). RasterOps ColorBoard 108+/SE30 will support the following monitors: 13" monitor 640 x 480 16" monitor 800 x 600 19" monitor 1024 x 768 Unknown about any custom monitor configurations, hardware pan & zoom (4x) and extended desktops are an option. MegaGraphics MegaScreen SE/30-8 will only support their 19" Trinitron at 1024 x 826 at 75 dpi. All three video cards have been priced at $1895. I should also note: E-Machines Big Picture Z21 SE/30 is a 21" monochrome video system that costs $2495. This price includes the video card and monitor. Feature are supposed to include hardware panning and software selectable resolutions. Set to ship in April. Hope this information helps! Fabian Ramirez SuperMac Technology fabian@cup.portal.com sun!cup.portal.com!fabian