binder@eniac.seas.upenn.edu (Tim Binder) (03/22/89)
Here at Penn, the previously mentioned Computer CONnection has a policy of not selling LaserWriter NT(X)s to students. Is this in fact Apple's policy, or just another defect here at good ole Penn? I could understand the restriction when a Mac cost $1700 and a LW was $3000+, but now a student can buy a Mac IIx w/HD for over $5000, but CAN'T buy a LaserWriter II NT for just over $3000! (Let alone the NTX is also UNDER $5000!). I do realize that some people were buying and reselling them, but isn't it possible for a student to legitimately buy a LW for his own use, especially considering you CAN buy an SC? Inquiring minds what to know (or should that be "Enquiring"?) Tim binder@eniac.seas.upenn.edu
ameet@Portia.Stanford.EDU (Ameet Bhansali) (03/22/89)
At Stanford too, students are *not* eligible for LaserWriter NT(X)s. It is not clear why this is so. If it's Apple's policy, I would like to know the justification behind this. Ameet Bhansali
kucharsk@uts.amdahl.com (William Kucharski) (03/22/89)
In article <9028@netnews.upenn.edu> binder@eniac.seas.upenn.edu.UUCP (Tim Binder) writes: >Here at Penn, the previously mentioned Computer CONnection has a policy of >not selling LaserWriter NT(X)s to students... When I was at University of Wisconsin - Madison, the student computer center (MACC) did not allow students to purchase LaserWriters either. Perhaps it's in Apple's student discount contract or something... -- William Kucharski ARPA: kucharsk@uts.amdahl.com UUCP: ...!{ames,decwrl,sun,uunet}!amdahl!kucharsk Disclaimer: The opinions expressed above are my own, and may not agree with those of any other sentient being, not to mention those of my employer. So there.
mjohnson@Apple.COM (Mark B. Johnson) (03/22/89)
In article <1052@Portia.Stanford.EDU> ameet@Portia.UUCP (Ameet Bhansali) writes: > >At Stanford too, students are *not* eligible for LaserWriter NT(X)s. >It is not clear why this is so. If it's Apple's policy, I would like to >know the justification behind this. > This isn't an official Apple viewpoint, but when I was at Notre Dame I understood that the reason students could no longer purchase LaserWriters after the first year or so when they were available is that too many students were buying them for their parents and their businesses...not exactly proper use of the consortium pricing and something which really upsets local dealers... Mark B. Johnson AppleLink: mjohnson Developer Technical Support domain: mjohnson@Apple.com Apple Computer, Inc. UUCP: {amdahl,decwrl,sun,unisoft}!apple!mjohnson "You gave your life to become the person you are right now. Was it worth it?" - Richard Bach, _One_
ameet@Portia.Stanford.EDU (Ameet Bhansali) (03/22/89)
In article <27679@apple.Apple.COM> mjohnson@Apple.COM (Mark B. Johnson) writes: >This isn't an official Apple viewpoint, but when I was at Notre Dame I >understood that the reason students could no longer purchase LaserWriters >after the first year or so when they were available is that too many >students were buying them for their parents and their businesses...not exactly >proper use of the consortium pricing and something which really upsets >local dealers... What is to prevent students from buying costlier Mac II (x)(cx)s for "their parents and their businesses?" Ameet Bhansali (ameet@portia.stanford.edu)
mithomas@bsu-cs.UUCP (Michael Thomas Niehaus) (03/22/89)
In article <27679@apple.Apple.COM>, mjohnson@Apple.COM (Mark B. Johnson) writes: > In article <1052@Portia.Stanford.EDU> ameet@Portia.UUCP (Ameet Bhansali) writes: > > > >At Stanford too, students are *not* eligible for LaserWriter NT(X)s. > >It is not clear why this is so. If it's Apple's policy, I would like to > >know the justification behind this. > > > This isn't an official Apple viewpoint, but when I was at Notre Dame I > understood that the reason students could no longer purchase LaserWriters > after the first year or so when they were available is that too many > students were buying them for their parents and their businesses...not exactly > proper use of the consortium pricing and something which really upsets > local dealers... > > > Mark B. Johnson AppleLink: mjohnson > Developer Technical Support domain: mjohnson@Apple.com > Apple Computer, Inc. UUCP: {amdahl,decwrl,sun,unisoft}!apple!mjohnson I have heard several different stories, and I find the one that Mark spelled out above to be the most believable. Here is a list of the others that I have heard (none of these are official either): 1. The consortium prices on a LaserWriter IINT and IINTX are actually less than the cost to produce the printers, since they have much memory, Postscript licensing, etc. The IISC, on the other hand, does not require memory or Postscript licensing, and Apple at least breaks even selling this printer at consortium prices. It's fine to lose money on a university account when you can make it up on computers and peripherals, but students don't have the same lasting (money-spending) relationship. 2. Dealers want to have some item that they sell exclusively to draw (rich) student Mac buyers into their stores. If Apple sold every product that they made through the consortium, the dealers would have nothing unique to offer. [Personally, I think that the person who told me this one should be shot :-)] Just out of curiosity, how much is the LaserWriter IISC to IINT upgrade running right now? You could buy a IISC from Apple at a reduced price, and then find a dealer that is selling the upgrade at a good discount... Of course, Apple rarely admits my existence, so I speak only for myself... -Michael -- Michael Niehaus UUCP: <backbones>!{iuvax,pur-ee}!bsu-cs!mithomas Apple Student Rep ARPA: mithomas@bsu-cs.bsu.edu Ball State University AppleLink: ST0374 (from UUCP: st0374@applelink.apple.com)
merchant@eleazar.dartmouth.edu (Peter Merchant) (03/22/89)
In article <1057@Portia.Stanford.EDU> ameet@Portia.UUCP (Ameet Bhansali) writes: >In article <27679@apple.Apple.COM> mjohnson@Apple.COM (Mark B. Johnson) writes: >>This isn't an official Apple viewpoint, but when I was at Notre Dame I >>understood that the reason students could no longer purchase LaserWriters >>after the first year or so when they were available is that too many >>students were buying them for their parents and their businesses...not exactly >>proper use of the consortium pricing and something which really upsets >>local dealers... >What is to prevent students from buying costlier Mac II (x)(cx)s for >"their parents and their businesses?" Because what is the student going to use? I was never really certain of the Consortium policy on peripherals. I know that you are only allowed to buy one computer every two years, or something similar. But I don't remember anything about peripherals. So I could buy a LaserWriter for my parents after buying an ImageWriter for myself. I could, conceivably, do it with a computer, too. I could buy my Plus, be happy, and two years later, buy a IIx for my Dad. This doesn't please local dealers too much, either. --- "And it all comes down to you..." Peter Merchant (merchant@eleazar.UUCP) (Peter.G.Merchant@dartmouth.EDU)
steve@violet.berkeley.edu (Steve Goldfield) (03/23/89)
In article <1052@Portia.Stanford.EDU> ameet@Portia.UUCP (Ameet Bhansali) writes:
#>
#>At Stanford too, students are *not* eligible for LaserWriter NT(X)s.
#>It is not clear why this is so. If it's Apple's policy, I would like to
#>know the justification behind this.
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#>Ameet Bhansali
Don't think this is Apple's policy as all these products are
still listed as available to students, faculty, and staff
here at Cal. There is a newer price list than the January
one I have, but I have no reason to believe that the NTX or
II NTX will be removed. Maybe you should transfer. :>(
Steve Goldfieldkurtzman@pollux.usc.edu (Stephen Kurtzman) (03/23/89)
In article <9028@netnews.upenn.edu> binder@eniac.seas.upenn.edu.UUCP (Tim Binder) writes: >Here at Penn, the previously mentioned Computer CONnection has a policy of >not selling LaserWriter NT(X)s to students. Is this in fact Apple's policy, >or just another defect here at good ole Penn? Here at USC the policy is that any student can buy an SC. No student can buy an NTX. But a student may purchase an NT if the head of the student's department sends a letter to the computer store saying that the student has a legitimate academic use for the NT and that the student will not resell the printer. I think this last clause is beyond the scope of what the department chairman should have to say, but bureaucrats just love to complicate things.
rs5o+@andrew.cmu.edu (Randall Knowles Smith) (03/23/89)
bboards, nobody is offering to run a printing service. Randy Smith rs5o+@andrew.cmu.edu "My university loves me and makes all my opinions its own, so long as I pay them $16,000 a year (up 10% next year!)" - Randy, in a black mood.
malczews@nunki.usc.edu (Frank Malczewski) (03/23/89)
In article <1052@Portia.Stanford.EDU> ameet@Portia.UUCP (Ameet Bhansali) writes: > >At Stanford too, students are *not* eligible for LaserWriter NT(X)s. >It is not clear why this is so. If it's Apple's policy, I would like to >know the justification behind this. > >Ameet Bhansali USC's price list shows that the NT is available to students by special permission, while the NTX is not available to students. I'm not aware just what the special permission would be, though.
joseph@elbereth.rutgers.edu (Seymour Joseph) (03/25/89)
At rutgers the NT(x) lasers are not available either. Neither are any Apple II products which annoyed me, I had to go elsewhere to buy my IIGS. It is my understanding that these items are not available for personal purchase because of contractual obligations with apple. The price lists we get from apple used to explicitly state that some products were not available for personal purchase. Seymour