mjohnson@Apple.COM (Mark B. Johnson) (03/24/89)
In article <798@ethz.UUCP> macman@ethz.UUCP (Danny Schwendener) writes: > >Also check out the "Technotes" stack, which contains all currently >published technotes, with an index and a great find by keyword feature. As hinted at some time ago, we just released the first Macintosh Technical Notes stack to Partners, Associates, and Certified developers this month. It is version 3.0 and includes all Notes through #221 (1985-1988). Since it is distributed using StuffIt (Thanks Ray...), we will not be putting it out any other channel (Usenet, APDA, AppleLink, etc) until licensing agreements are finalized. If you have paid your individual StuffIt fee, however, there is no reason some developer couldn't reStuff their copy and send it to SUMEX and a few other sites. Considering the size (770K stuffed), you may not want to post it in other places... Updates will be coming out quarterly, with the first one due for the Developers Conference in May. For those of you who have seen it, let us know what you think, we are interested in your feedback... Mark B. Johnson AppleLink: mjohnson Developer Technical Support domain: mjohnson@Apple.com Apple Computer, Inc. UUCP: {amdahl,decwrl,sun,unisoft}!apple!mjohnson "You gave your life to become the person you are right now. Was it worth it?" - Richard Bach, _One_
ephraim@think.COM (Ephraim Vishniac) (03/24/89)
In article <27778@apple.Apple.COM> mjohnson@Apple.COM (Mark B. Johnson) writes: >As hinted at some time ago, we just released the first Macintosh >Technical Notes stack to Partners, Associates, and Certified >developers this month. It is version 3.0 and includes all Notes >through #221 (1985-1988). Since it is distributed using StuffIt >(Thanks Ray...), we will not be putting it out any other channel >(Usenet, APDA, AppleLink, etc) until licensing agreements are >finalized. If you have paid your individual StuffIt fee, however, >there is no reason some developer couldn't reStuff their copy and >send it to SUMEX and a few other sites. Considering the size (770K >stuffed), you may not want to post it in other places... I think this stack is a brilliant alternative to YA4IBCMD (Yet Another 4 Inch Binder Covering My Desk). I was so impressed with the usefulness of this stack that I promptly BinHexed it (1.06Mbytes), uploaded it to local Unix box (thank goodness we bought those Etherport cards!), and mailed it to info-mac@sumex-aim.stanford.edu in 21 50K installments, carefully spaced out to reduce mailer barfing. I'll check with the info-mac moderators today to find out if it arrived in good order. Now, if we could just get IM I-V in machine-readable form... Ephraim Vishniac / Internet: ephraim@think.com / AppleLink: ThinkingCorp Thinking Machines Corporation / 245 First Street / Cambridge, MA 02142-1214 "Arlo Guthrie, it seems, has found what he was looking for: God, and the Macintosh." (Boston Globe)
mjohnson@Apple.COM (Mark B. Johnson) (03/25/89)
In article <37915@think.UUCP> ephraim@think.com (Ephraim Vishniac) writes: > >Now, if we could just get IM I-V in machine-readable form... > You can bet there are many people within pushing for exactly that...but then there are always those who think IM should be of a coffee table variety... Mark B. Johnson AppleLink: mjohnson Developer Technical Support domain: mjohnson@Apple.com Apple Computer, Inc. UUCP: {amdahl,decwrl,sun,unisoft}!apple!mjohnson "You gave your life to become the person you are right now. Was it worth it?" - Richard Bach, _One_
falken@caen.engin.umich.edu (David R Falkenburg) (03/31/89)
In article <27778@apple.Apple.COM>, mjohnson@Apple.COM (Mark B. Johnson) writes: > As hinted at some time ago, we just released the first Macintosh Technical > Notes stack to Partners, Associates, and Certified developers this month. > It is version 3.0 and includes all Notes through #221 (1985-1988). Since > it is distributed using StuffIt (Thanks Ray...), we will not be putting it > out any other channel (Usenet, APDA, AppleLink, etc) until licensing agreements > Mark B. Johnson AppleLink: mjohnson > Developer Technical Support domain: mjohnson@Apple.com > Apple Computer, Inc. UUCP: {amdahl,decwrl,sun,unisoft}!apple!mjohnson > Isn't the Unstuffit program freeware? I've been using it for a while, but didn't know that it had a cost involved-- i know the regular full stuffit does. -dave -- Dave Falkenburg @ University of Michigan Computer Aided Engineering Network ARPA: falken@caen.engin.umich.edu UUCP: umix!caen.engin.umich.edu!falken
mjohnson@Apple.COM (Mark B. Johnson) (03/31/89)
In article <4255fe4a.bb89@spam.engin.umich.edu> falken@caen.engin.umich.edu (David R Falkenburg) writes: >Isn't the Unstuffit program freeware? I've been using it for a while, but didn't know >that it had a cost involved-- i know the regular full stuffit does. > Yes, UnStuffIt is free, but for Apple to use StuffIt to compress the archives and distribute them, we have to comply with the licensing agreements ... like any other individual or company should. Mark B. Johnson AppleLink: mjohnson Developer Technical Support domain: mjohnson@Apple.com Apple Computer, Inc. UUCP: {amdahl,decwrl,sun,unisoft}!apple!mjohnson "You gave your life to become the person you are right now. Was it worth it?" - Richard Bach, _One_
sbb@esquire.UUCP (Stephen B. Baumgarten) (04/01/89)
In article <28111@apple.Apple.COM> mjohnson@Apple.COM (Mark B. Johnson) writes: >Yes, UnStuffIt is free, but for Apple to use StuffIt to compress the archives >and distribute them, we have to comply with the licensing agreements ... like >any other individual or company should. Surely Apple could come up with the 15 or 20 dollars for a license... Ray's policy for Stuffit is that you only have to pay if you want to use it to *create* archives. Unstuffing has always been free (though in my opinion if anyone deserves a shareware fee, Ray Lau does). -- Steve Baumgarten | "New York... when civilization falls apart, Davis Polk & Wardwell | remember, we were way ahead of you." cmcl2!esquire!sbb | esquire!sbb@cmcl2.nyu.edu | - David Letterman
mjohnson@Apple.COM (Mark B. Johnson) (04/02/89)
In article <1113@esquire.UUCP> sbb@esquire.UUCP (Stephen B. Baumgarten) writes: > >Surely Apple could come up with the 15 or 20 dollars for a license... > Unfortunately, its not that inexpensive or easy for corporations distributing what the StuffIt folks call "commercial products..." Mark B. Johnson AppleLink: mjohnson Developer Technical Support domain: mjohnson@Apple.com Apple Computer, Inc. UUCP: {amdahl,decwrl,sun,unisoft}!apple!mjohnson "You gave your life to become the person you are right now. Was it worth it?" - Richard Bach, _One_
sbb@esquire.UUCP (Stephen B. Baumgarten) (04/04/89)
In article <28235@apple.Apple.COM> mjohnson@Apple.COM (Mark B. Johnson) writes: >In article <1113@esquire.UUCP> sbb@esquire.UUCP (Stephen B. Baumgarten) writes: >> >>Surely Apple could come up with the 15 or 20 dollars for a license... >> >Unfortunately, its not that inexpensive or easy for corporations distributing >what the StuffIt folks call "commercial products..." > >Mark B. Johnson AppleLink: mjohnson >Developer Technical Support domain: mjohnson@Apple.com >Apple Computer, Inc. UUCP: {amdahl,decwrl,sun,unisoft}!apple!mjohnson OK. Well, assuming that's the case, why not just write a Unix/MPW tool that will create a stuffit archive. Most Unix boxes have "compress" for the Lempel-Ziv compression, so then it's just a matter of dummying up some headers and concatenating the whole thing together. By the way, the thought of Apple complaining because a developer is charging what they think is too much for a product or service is almost too funny to bear... ( Please don't take that last crack personally, however, no matter how good it felt to write it... ) -- Steve Baumgarten | "New York... when civilization falls apart, Davis Polk & Wardwell | remember, we were way ahead of you." cmcl2!esquire!sbb | esquire!sbb@cmcl2.nyu.edu | - David Letterman
mjohnson@Apple.COM (Mark B. Johnson) (04/04/89)
In article <1120@esquire.UUCP> sbb@esquire.UUCP (Stephen B. Baumgarten) writes: >OK. Well, assuming that's the case, why not just write a Unix/MPW tool >that will create a stuffit archive. Most Unix boxes have "compress" >for the Lempel-Ziv compression, so then it's just a matter of dummying >up some headers and concatenating the whole thing together. > >By the way, the thought of Apple complaining because a developer >is charging what they think is too much for a product or service is >almost too funny to bear... > >( Please don't take that last crack personally, however, no matter > how good it felt to write it... ) > We thought about doing that (unofficially, of course), but decided to help more people (can't force everyone to purchase and use MPW) by licensing StuffIt for all of Apple. This way Apple recognizes and uses a "de facto" standard (not arguing its good points or bad) which has been set by the Macintosh users of the world (not forced upon you by Apple) as well as "helping" the developer (Ray Lau in this case) make a few dollars instead of trying to shut him out by rolling our own. Granted, a tool would be useful, and I won't count it out, but it's just not a high priority right now. As for the cost, the delay is more on bureaucracy than cost. You know, that's one of the other negative effects of "success..." :-) y and trying to li o e thought about doing that (unofficially of course) and decided to help more Mark B. Johnson AppleLink: mjohnson Developer Technical Support domain: mjohnson@Apple.com Apple Computer, Inc. UUCP: {amdahl,decwrl,sun,unisoft}!apple!mjohnson "You gave your life to become the person you are right now. Was it worth it?" - Richard Bach, _One_
stores@unix.SRI.COM (Matt Mora) (04/07/89)
In article <28349@apple.Apple.COM> mjohnson@Apple.COM (Mark B. Johnson) writes: >In article <1120@esquire.UUCP> sbb@esquire.UUCP (Stephen B. Baumgarten) writes: >>OK. Well, assuming that's the case, why not just write a Unix/MPW tool >>that will create a stuffit archive. Most Unix boxes have "compress" >>for the Lempel-Ziv compression, so then it's just a matter of dummying >>up some headers and concatenating the whole thing together. >"helping" the developer (Ray Lau in this case) make a few dollars instead >of trying to shut him out by rolling our own. Granted, a tool would be Why does Apple have to write the tool maybe ray can write it and sell it to apple. Just my $0.02 worth -- ___________________________________________________________ Matthew Mora SRI International stores@SRI.COM ___________________________________________________________