robin@csuchico.uucp (Robin Goldstone) (03/30/89)
I just received a memo saying that the California State University has purchased site licences for several software packages that support "TELENET and FTP services for microcomputers". One of these packages is MAC/IP from Stanford. The memo says "The Macintosh software will operate via either a LocalTalk or Ethernet connection". I am having trouble interpreting this. Do I put an Ethernet board in my Mac and then just tap into the Ethernet cable? I am already on an AppleTalk network. Does MAC/IP use this somehow? Thanks for any info. robin@csuchico.edu
jh@tut.fi (Juha Hein{nen) (03/31/89)
In article <1989Mar29.173959.13694@csuchico.uucp> robin@csuchico.uucp (Robin Goldstone) writes:
these packages is MAC/IP from Stanford. The memo says "The
Macintosh software will operate via either a LocalTalk or Ethernet
connection". I am having trouble interpreting this. Do I put an
Ethernet board in my Mac and then just tap into the Ethernet cable?
I am already on an AppleTalk network. Does MAC/IP use this
somehow?
I'm also interested in this. Doesn't Apple officially support
Ethernet connection with TCP-IP and if so which Mac models from Mac SE
up can be equiped with this set up? If Apple doesn't support
Ethernet/TCP-IP (like any serious computer manufacture should) what
are the third party hardware options?
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jh@tut.fi (Internet), tut!jh (UUCP), jh@tut (Bitnet)borton@uva.UUCP (Chris Borton) (04/01/89)
In article <JH.89Mar31083358@tikka.tut.fi> jh@tut.fi (Juha Hein{nen) writes: >In article <1989Mar29.173959.13694@csuchico.uucp> robin@csuchico.uucp (Robin Goldstone) writes: > > these packages is MAC/IP from Stanford. The memo says "The > Macintosh software will operate via either a LocalTalk or Ethernet > connection". I am having trouble interpreting this. Do I put an > Ethernet board in my Mac and then just tap into the Ethernet cable? > I am already on an AppleTalk network. Does MAC/IP use this > somehow? > >I'm also interested in this. Doesn't Apple officially support >Ethernet connection with TCP-IP and if so which Mac models from Mac SE >up can be equiped with this set up? If Apple doesn't support >Ethernet/TCP-IP (like any serious computer manufacture should) what >are the third party hardware options? [note: followups directed to comp.protocols.appletalk, where these things usually get discussed] Apple supports EtherNet connections with their Ethernet card for the Mac II. There are several solutions for the SE/Plus, including Kinetics and Dove. Apple supports EtherTalk protocol, and has recently added full support of TCP/IP via their MacTCP package (which, to my knowledge, was announced but hasn't shipped yet. I'd love to be proved wrong...) MacIP from Stanford is a collection of programs written for Unix that provide services to Macs hooked up on the network. These connections can be direct, if the Macs have an EtherNet connection, or via a Kinetics FastPath which relays to a LocalTalk network. These services include mail (I believe) and things like 'finger' (from Unix). Disclaimer: I just installed KIP/CAP. MacIP is the next step :-)... -cbb -- Chris Borton borton%uva@mcvax.{nl,bitnet,uucp} Rotary Scholar & Network Administrator, University of Amsterdam CS
englandr@phoenix.Princeton.EDU (Scott Englander) (04/01/89)
What the memo probably means is that it will work either with an
Etherport SE board (or equivalent, or EtherTalk board in a II), or over
LocalTalk if you have a bridge (e.g Kinetics FastPath) connecting your
local net to Ethernet.
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- Scottminshall@kinetics.UUCP (Greg Minshall) (04/05/89)
From article <JH.89Mar31083358@tikka.tut.fi>, by jh@tut.fi (Juha Hein{nen):
> I'm also interested in this. Doesn't Apple officially support
> Ethernet connection with TCP-IP and if so which Mac models from Mac SE
> up can be equiped with this set up? If Apple doesn't support
> Ethernet/TCP-IP (like any serious computer manufacture should) what
> are the third party hardware options?
Apple has announced (but, to my knowledge not shipped) support for TCP/IP.
The product (MacTCP, or some such) allows developers to write TCP/IP
applications. This should work over the "Apple" ethernet board, as well
as Kinetics, etc. They should also work over LocalTalk if KIP or K-STAR
is running "nearby" (ie: in a FastPath on the LocalTalk). I don't *believe*
the Apple code will talk to FastPath's talking the old-style Kinetics code
(called, for historical reasons, "IP subnetting").
Apple has not, to my knowledge, announced or shipped any "end user" products.
Kinetics has announced and shipped TCP/IP for Macs (both end user products
and a developer's library). It works over all the above connectivity choices.
Greg Minshall 1-415-947-0998
Kineticsamosh@stl.stc.co.uk (Amos Hornsby) (04/06/89)
In article <JH.89Mar31083358@tikka.tut.fi> jh@tut.fi (Juha Hein{nen) writes: >I'm also interested in this. Doesn't Apple officially support >Ethernet connection with TCP-IP and if so which Mac models from Mac SE >up can be equiped with this set up? If Apple doesn't support >Ethernet/TCP-IP (like any serious computer manufacture should) what >are the third party hardware options? >-- Juha Heinanen, Tampere Univ. of Technology, Finland We have a Mac II with a standard Apple EtherTalk card installed and it supports TCP/IP just fine. We use it with NCSA Telnet for remote session access and also to access AUFS/CAP volumes on Suns. As for Mac SE's and Pluses we have them on AppleTalk connecting to a Kinetics Fastpath running k-star. Whenever a Mac on the AppleTalk runs Telnet, the Kinetics box dynamically allocates an Ethernet IP address from a sequence of addresses that you enter when configuring k-star. We've had not one single problem with this set up. I hope this answers your question Amos Hornsby STC Technology Ltd. London Road, Harlow, Essex. (ah2@stl.stc.co.uk <or> ...seismo!mcvax!ukc!stl!ah2 <or> PSI234237100122::ah2 <or> +44-279-29531 x2725)
kdb@lts.UUCP (Kurt D. Baumann) (04/13/89)
In article <752@kinetics.UUCP> minshall@kinetics.UUCP (Greg Minshall) writes: >From article <JH.89Mar31083358@tikka.tut.fi>, by jh@tut.fi (Juha Hein{nen): >> I'm also interested in this. Doesn't Apple officially support >> Ethernet connection with TCP-IP and if so which Mac models from Mac SE > >Apple has announced (but, to my knowledge not shipped) support for TCP/IP. >The product (MacTCP, or some such) allows developers to write TCP/IP >applications. This should work over the "Apple" ethernet board, as well > >Apple has not, to my knowledge, announced or shipped any "end user" products. > >Kinetics has announced and shipped TCP/IP for Macs (both end user products >and a developer's library). It works over all the above connectivity choices. > >Greg Minshall 1-415-947-0998 >Kinetics Apple is shipping (as of April 1) MacTCP. TCP/IP drivers for the Mac, which you can get by either contacting their licensing group or by purchasing a commercial product from a developer who has licensed them from Apple. Yes, as far as I know Apple is not shipping any user applications either. I don't know who all has licensed the drivers yet, so I don't know what commercial products will ship with the drivers. I do know that we have a version of our product TCP/Connect that is currently running over them, and as soon as we can get the licensing issue taken care of we intend to ship that version. If you have specific questions about any of the above drop me a note and I will let you know what I can. Kurt Baumann InterCon Systems Corporation 703.450.7117 or 703.435.8170 AppleLink: D1988 -- Kurt Baumann ...!uunet!lts!kdb / lts!kdb@uunet.uu.net InterCon, 11732 Bowman Green Drive, Reston, VA 22090 -- "?" -- Unknown
zeke@wilbur.unix.ETA.COM (Robert K. Scott) (04/13/89)
Since there has been some discussion of TCP/IP products for Macintosh,
I would like to know if there are any other public domain products
for the Macintosh besides NCSA Telnet. Just curious to try anything
else out, you know. Products should work on an Ethernet card, not
across Appletalk to a bridge.
On the subject of commercial TELNET/FTP products, could I ask that anyone
who knows of an <EXISTING> or <VERY SOON TO BE EXISTING> TELNET/TCP
implementation please send me email with a description of the product
and (if you know) how to contact them? I would like to do a survey
to determine which products to try here at my company, because we
are getting a few more Macs connected to our Ethernet and I would
like to sniff out some of the best products. I will summarize for
the net if I get enough responses.
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