gallaghe@husc8.HARVARD.EDU (Paul Gallagher) (04/09/89)
I'm using Red Ryder 10.3 to emulate a vt100 to use with my Vax account.
I don't have the documentation for Red Ryder. I've been bothered by
some peculiar bugs. For example, when text is displayed, lines are often
broken in half or the 1st letter appears on one line and the remainder
of the line appears on the next. I have many problems using the text
editor vi. Moving the cursor over text will often change the text,
adding text will often cause adjacent lines to be altered, deleting lines
often will delete not the line where the cursor is located but lines at
the bottom of the page, etc., etc.
Does anyone know what's wrong? I've tried changing the terminal emulation
preferences options and the vt100 modes options, but the problems remain.
Paulnghiem@ut-emx.UUCP (Alex Nghiem) (04/10/89)
In article <1584@husc6.harvard.edu>, gallaghe@husc8.HARVARD.EDU (Paul Gallagher) writes:
1>
1> I'm using Red Ryder 10.3 to emulate a vt100 to use with my Vax account.
1> ... peculiar bugs. For example, when text is displayed, lines are often
1> broken in half or the 1st letter appears on one line and the remainder
1> of the line appears on the next.
1>
1> Does anyone know what's wrong? I've tried changing the terminal emulation
1> preferences options and the vt100 modes options, but the problems remain.
1>
Red Ryder does not respond to the VT100 screen escape codes properly.
I use Kermit 9(40) instead.
nghiem
standard disclaimer.henry@chinet.chi.il.us (Henry C. Schmitt) (04/10/89)
In article <1584@husc6.harvard.edu> gallaghe@husc8.UUCP (Paul Gallagher) writes: > >I'm using Red Ryder 10.3 to emulate a vt100 to use with my Vax account. >I don't have the documentation for Red Ryder. ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ Documentation comes with all legally purchased copies of Red Ryder 10.0 or later. Why don't _you_ have any? H3nry -- H3nry C. Schmitt | CompuServe: 72275,1456 (Rarely) | GEnie: H.Schmitt (Occasionally) Royal Inn of Yoruba | UUCP: Henry@chinet.chi.il.us (Best Bet)
ajq@mace.cc.purdue.edu (John O'Malley) (04/10/89)
In article <8186@chinet.chi.il.us> henry@chinet.chi.il.us (Henry C. Schmitt) writes: >In article <1584@husc6.harvard.edu> gallaghe@husc8.UUCP (Paul Gallagher) writes: >>I'm using Red Ryder 10.3 to emulate a vt100 to use with my Vax account. >>I don't have the documentation for Red Ryder. >Documentation comes with all legally purchased copies of Red Ryder >10.0 or later. Why don't _you_ have any? People who paid the shareware fee for Red Ryder 9.4 (or earlier) are able to upgrade to RR 10.3 by downloading it from GEnie. Consequently, it's possible to legally own Red Ryder without documentation. John O'Malley / Macintosh / Purdue University / (317) mace.cc.purdue.edu!ajq / Specialist / Computing Center / 494-1787
rang@cpsin3.cps.msu.edu (Anton Rang) (04/11/89)
In article <11888@ut-emx.UUCP> nghiem@ut-emx.UUCP (Alex Nghiem) writes: >Red Ryder does not respond to the VT100 screen escape codes properly. >I use Kermit 9(40) instead. > >nghiem >standard disclaimer. Which escape codes do you have problems with? The only ones I've found are the ones which are documented (double-width chars, double-height lines, smooth scroll [I think], etc.). None of these are used by any software I've worked with (except my lockscreen program!). I use Red Ryder (10.3) on a regular basis with GNU EMACS, EDT, TPU, OPUS, and various other systems. Never had any problems. +---------------------------+------------------------+----------------------+ | Anton Rang (grad student) | "VMS Forever!" | "Do worry...be SAD!" | | Michigan State University | rang@cpswh.cps.msu.edu | | +---------------------------+------------------------+----------------------+
nagel@wagram.ics.uci.edu (Mark Nagel) (04/11/89)
In article <2184@mace.cc.purdue.edu>, ajq@mace (John O'Malley) writes: | |People who paid the shareware fee for Red Ryder 9.4 (or earlier) are |able to upgrade to RR 10.3 by downloading it from GEnie. Consequently, |it's possible to legally own Red Ryder without documentation. | That's a load of you know what. When 10.0 came out, Scott upgraded only through mailed requests which required an upgrade fee even for previously registered users. That has nothing to do with the (stupid) policy implemented soon thereafter upon discovery of millions of insects crawling around in ole' Red. Just because you can get into the Round Table does *not* mean you are allowed to download 10.3. You must (should) have payed the upgrade fee. That's all academic of course, since he did place it in the downloads area and most people seem to fail to read that license thing there that says all this. Anyway, if you have 10.3 and no documentation, either you don't keep documentation or you stole 10.3 from the Round Table. Mark Nagel @ UC Irvine, Department of Information and Computer Science +----------------------------------------+ ARPA: nagel@ics.uci.edu | Charisma doesn't have jelly in the | UUCP: ucbvax!ucivax!nagel | middle. -- Jim Ignatowski |
msimpson@teknowledge-vaxc.ARPA (Mike Simpson) (04/11/89)
In article <11703@paris.ics.uci.edu> nagel@wagram.ics.uci.edu (Mark Nagel) writes: >In article <2184@mace.cc.purdue.edu>, ajq@mace (John O'Malley) writes: >| >|People who paid the shareware fee for Red Ryder 9.4 (or earlier) are >|able to upgrade to RR 10.3 by downloading it from GEnie. Consequently, >|it's possible to legally own Red Ryder without documentation. >| > >That's a load of you know what. When 10.0 came out, Scott upgraded >only through mailed requests which required an upgrade fee even for >previously registered users. > >Anyway, if you have 10.3 and no documentation, either you don't keep >documentation or you stole 10.3 from the Round Table. Mark, That is absolutely NOT true. I have paid for RR8.0, 9.0, 9.2, 9.3, 9.4 and 10.0. Several phone calls have yielded nothing in the way of new documentation beyond 9.4's, other than the note I got with my 10.0 disk telling me how to change 9.x procedure files to 10.0. I wouldn't throw around the charge of stolen software so casually. Mike Simpson msimpson@teknowledge-vaxc.arpa msimpson@spdcc.com -- Mike Simpson Cimflex Teknowledge, Inc. Los Angeles, CA Internet/Domain:msimpson@teknowledge-vaxc.arpa, msimpson@spdcc.com Usenet: ...!{smart-uucp-host}!teknowledge-vaxc.arpa!msimpson
ted@hpwrce.HP.COM ( Ted Johnson) (04/11/89)
I think I fixed a similiar problem w/ my RR 9.4 by checking the "relative origin" checkbox on one of the configuration screens. -Ted
nagel@beaver.ics.uci.edu (Mark Nagel) (04/12/89)
In article <27285@teknowledge-vaxc.ARPA>, msimpson@teknowledge-vaxc (Mike Simpson) writes: | |That is absolutely NOT true. I have paid for RR8.0, 9.0, 9.2, 9.3, |9.4 and 10.0. Several phone calls have yielded nothing in the way of |new documentation beyond 9.4's, other than the note I got with my 10.0 |disk telling me how to change 9.x procedure files to 10.0. Then you were screwed over and perhaps the first person did get it legally. However, the second person's response was definitely wrong! Just because he bought 9.x or earlier and has access to the Round Table does not imply that he can just download 10.3 free. That's what he was saying and that's what I was objecting to. The thing about the documentation is strange, because I sent in my upgrade money to FreeSoft when the announcement went out and received a new disk and manual soon thereafter. |I wouldn't throw around the charge of stolen software so casually. As I said, I was mainly saying this in the face of the second person's argument that Round Table access == free 10.3 download. Mark Nagel @ UC Irvine, Department of Information and Computer Science +----------------------------------------+ ARPA: nagel@ics.uci.edu | Charisma doesn't have jelly in the | UUCP: ucbvax!ucivax!nagel | middle. -- Jim Ignatowski |
riley@beowulf.ucsd.edu (Chris Riley) (04/12/89)
nagel@wagram.ics.uci.edu (Mark Nagel) writes: >That's a load of you know what. When 10.0 came out, Scott upgraded >only through mailed requests which required an upgrade fee even for >previously registered users. That has nothing to do with the (stupid) >policy implemented soon thereafter upon discovery of millions of >insects crawling around in ole' Red. Just because you can get into >the Round Table does *not* mean you are allowed to download 10.3. You >must (should) have payed the upgrade fee. That's all academic of >course, since he did place it in the downloads area and most people >seem to fail to read that license thing there that says all this. > >Anyway, if you have 10.3 and no documentation, either you don't keep >documentation or you stole 10.3 from the Round Table. I hate to say you are wrong, but you are wrong. The 10.3 updates were available for EITHER $20 if you wanted a disk and docs or from GEnie to be downloaded for free if you didn't want hardcopy. From GEnie by MACINFO [Norm Goodger] about the 10.3 updates: >>PLEASE READ THIS -> There was, I'm sorry to report, quite a bit of illegal >>passing around and posting on BBS's of 10.2. If this happens with 10.3, we >>will with regret (but without hesitation) return to the mail upgrading scheme >>for all future versions of FreeSoft products. Please protect your investment >>by politely declining to give away copies of version 10 and Red Ryder Host. As you can see, there was a non-mail upgrading scheme for 10.3 in addition to the mail scheme and therefor it is perfectly legal to download RR 10.3 from GEnie for free if you have already paid. (There were many messages discussing the 10.0 upgrade that only allowed mail upgrades, and as a result the policy was changed.) riley@cs.ucsd.edu ------------------------------------------------------------------- "A government which robs Peter to pay Paul can always depend on the support of Paul." --George Bernard Shaw -------------------------------------------------------------------
pss@unh.UUCP (Paul S. Sawyer == paul) (04/13/89)
In article <11888@ut-emx.UUCP>, nghiem@ut-emx.UUCP (Alex Nghiem) writes: > In article <1584@husc6.harvard.edu>, gallaghe@husc8.HARVARD.EDU (Paul Gallagher) writes: > 1> I'm using Red Ryder 10.3 to emulate a vt100 to use with my Vax account. > 1> ... peculiar bugs. For example, when text is displayed, lines are often > 1> broken in half or the 1st letter appears on one line and the remainder > 1> of the line appears on the next. > 1> Does anyone know what's wrong? I've tried changing the terminal emulation > 1> preferences options and the vt100 modes options, but the problems remain. > 1> > > Red Ryder does not respond to the VT100 screen escape codes properly. > I use Kermit 9(40) instead. > > nghiem > standard disclaimer. MacTerminal, MacKermit, Red Ryder, and MicroPhone II (and others which I have NOT tried) all seem to have their own idea of what a VT100 does. I gave up on finding the "perfect" emulation in favor of a balance of emulation features and interface features. I (mostly) use Microphone II, but there is room for varied tastes; any of these can be made to work. Since you are using VI, I assume the system is Unix, Ultrix, etc. and (hopefully) not VMS. You can make your own TERMCAP entry and include only the necessary-for-VI-features and/or supported-by-RR-features. There may be such an entry on your system already. (Sometimes ansi, for instance, may be this minimalist termcap, sometimes it has everything but the kitchen sink.) My emulators were falling down when VI tried to use some neat or supposed-efficient feature such as setting the scrolling window, insert/delete line, etc. BTW, when this has happened to me, and I had to get the edit done rather than fixing and fiddling termcaps, etc, I would redraw the screen (CONTROL-L) quite often to see where I was REALLY at. Keeping lines < 80 characters helps somewhat also, as the emulator and VI probably don't agree on the autowrap implementation. Good luck. -- = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = Paul S. Sawyer uunet!unh!unhtel!paul paul@unhtel.UUCP UNH Telecommunications Durham, NH 03824-3523 VOX: 603-862-3262 FAX: 603-862-2030
arvidson@euclid.MATH.ColoState.Edu (John Arvidson) (04/13/89)
If your vax is running unix, you can probably fix the problem by typing 'stty -tabs' (include it in your .login or something). John Arvidson
ngg@bridge2.3Com.Com (Norman Goodger) (04/26/89)
In article <6236@sdcsvax.UCSD.Edu> riley@beowulf.UCSD.EDU (Chris Riley) writes: >nagel@wagram.ics.uci.edu (Mark Nagel) writes: >Anyway, if you have 10.3 and no documentation, either you don't keep >documentation or you stole 10.3 from the Round Table. >I hate to say you are wrong, but you are wrong. The 10.3 updates were >available for EITHER $20 if you wanted a disk and docs or from GEnie to >be downloaded for free if you didn't want hardcopy. >From GEnie by MACINFO [Norm Goodger] about the 10.3 updates: >>>PLEASE READ THIS -> There was, I'm sorry to report, quite a bit of illegal >>>passing around and posting on BBS's of 10.2. If this happens with 10.3, we >>>will with regret (but without hesitation) return to the mail upgrading scheme >>>for all future versions of FreeSoft products. Please protect your investment >>>by politely declining to give away copies of version 10 and Red Ryder Host. > >As you can see, there was a non-mail upgrading scheme for 10.3 in addition >to the mail scheme and therefor it is perfectly legal to download RR 10.3 >from GEnie for free if you have already paid. (There were many messages >discussing the 10.0 upgrade that only allowed mail upgrades, and as a >result the policy was changed.) > Actually that posting attributed to me was posted by me for "Scott Watson". The reason that RR 10.x was posted to the RT software library in lui of another mail update for each version was because of problems that were not discovered during the beta testing of the product before release caused the release of subsequent updates. Scott had initially planned to post an updater using Paragon's PUP updater, which allowed you to update if you had a Master disk, but for some reason this did not work at all, and so it came to pass that Scott actually posted RR 10.3 directly into the software library. This version was for those that had paid the $20 update fee from 9.x and prior to RR 10. Those of you that downloaded RR 10.3 from the software library without the supporting documentation (ie the 150 page manual) still need to abide by the initial update instructions for updating from RR <=9.x to RR 10.x which was $20 and the Master Disk that Freesoft had sent you or a copy of your cancelled check for the $40 shareware registration fee that you had sent in should you have lost the RR master disk. If you have not done this yet and do not have a Red Ryder Master disk, when Red Ryder 11 comes out, you may be caught short again since you "may" not be able to update easily from Red Ryder 10 to Red Ryder 11.0 when its released. So I suggest that if you are one of those people that just downloaded RR 10.3 from the RT and never properly updated and you still can, I would suggest that now is the time to do so. There is no official update policy set for updating from 10 to 11, and Red Ryder 11 IS NOT shipping yet, however this just seems like the prudent, honest, and safe way to insure that when the time comes you will not have problems updating to Red Ryder 11. -- Norm Goodger SysOp - MacInfo BBS @415-795-8862 3Com Corp. Co-Sysop FreeSoft RT - GEnie. Enterprise Systems Division (I disclaim anything and everything)