dplatt@teknowledge-vaxc.UUCP (06/15/87)
From what I've read, it seems that the Apple color monitor (for the Mac II) is basically a Sony multi-sync monitor sold under the Apple label. The Apple monitor was allegedly co-designed by Apple and Sony (or, at least, Apple carved some of the specifications for it). Four questions for the multi-net-iverse: 1) Does anyone know how the Apple monitor differs from the generic Sony multi-sync monitor? 2) Has anyone actually seen an Apple monitor? (I hear that they're still impossible to purchase, and may not have been shipped by Sony yet; the electronic-products tariffs recently enacted have been given as one reason for the ship-slip) 3) Has anyone performed or observed a controlled comparison of these two monitors (i.e. hooked to a Mac II, using the same video card and the same cable, switching back and forth between monitors)? If so, what were the results? 4) Has anyone heard any rumors of a color-video card for the Mac II which would be capable of generating RGB output that would be compatible with "normal" RGB-capable monitors (i.e., those that run at the NTSC scanning rate)? My impression has been that monochrome cards/monitors tend to be "crisper" than color cards/monitors with the same number of pixels, and I do like that crispness... so I might be tempted to buy a monochrome card/monitor setup for normal use, and also have a color card that could drive my Sony KV20-XBR on those occasions when I really want color output. This would be much less expensive than purchasing an extra color monitor, and I'd be willing to accept the lower resolution of the color screen, as I wouldn't be using it for normal day-to-day desktop operations. advTHANKSance.
han@apple.UUCP (Byron Han) (06/16/87)
In article <13704@teknowledge-vaxc.ARPA>, dplatt@teknowledge-vaxc.ARPA (Dave Platt) writes: > 2) Has anyone actually seen an Apple monitor? (I hear that they're > still impossible to purchase, and may not have been shipped by Sony > yet; the electronic-products tariffs recently enacted have been > given as one reason for the ship-slip) > I have. :-). Internally. They are very sharp and bright. They are very nice monitors. And they are shipping (so I hear) The crispness rivals monochrome monitors. And they appear sharper than the large screen displays I have seen for the Macintosh, Mac SE, or Mac II. > ... so I might be tempted to buy a > monochrome card/monitor setup for normal use, and also have a color > card that could drive my Sony KV20-XBR on those occasions when I > really want color output. This would be much less expensive than > purchasing an extra color monitor, and I'd be willing to accept the > lower resolution of the color screen, as I wouldn't be using it for > normal day-to-day desktop operations. > Or you could get two monitors, and one video card, and switch between monitors when you want one or the other. If you had two video cards, you could have both screens up at the same time acting as one big screen, half BW, half color (this is really neat to see) ===================================================================== Byron Han | UUCP: {sun,voder,nsc,mtxinu,dual}!apple!han Apple Computer, Inc. | CSNET: han@apple.csnet 20525 Mariani Ave, | ATTNet: 408-973-6450 Cupertino, CA 95014 | GENIE: BYRONHAN APPLELINK: HAN1 MS 27Y | CSERVE: 72167,1664 ===================================================================== All opinions and statements do not necessarily represent those of my employer, Apple Computer Inc. =====================================================================
toby@apple.UUCP (Toby Farrand) (06/16/87)
In article <13704@teknowledge-vaxc.ARPA> dplatt@teknowledge-vaxc.ARPA (Dave Platt) writes: >From what I've read, it seems that the Apple color monitor (for the >Mac II) is basically a Sony multi-sync monitor sold under the Apple >label. The Apple monitor was allegedly co-designed by Apple and Sony >(or, at least, Apple carved some of the specifications for it). > >Four questions for the multi-net-iverse: > >1) Does anyone know how the Apple monitor differs from the generic Sony > multi-sync monitor? Aside from the actual tube, the Apple monitor is completely different. Apple's monitor has a higher video amplifier bandwidth, a tighter convergence spec, a tighter focus spec, a tighter spot size spec, a tighter raster positioning spec and a tighter tube defect spec. Apple's monitor also passes FCC class B ( I think Sony's Multi-Scan is a class A device appropriate only for business use.) Apple's monitor also has an industrial design more compatible with the Mac II. > >2) Has anyone actually seen an Apple monitor? (I hear that they're > still impossible to purchase, and may not have been shipped by Sony > yet; the electronic-products tariffs recently enacted have been > given as one reason for the ship-slip) > The color monitor was the last piece of the Mac II program to fall into place. The monitor is not subject to tariffs. >3) Has anyone performed or observed a controlled comparison of these > two monitors (i.e. hooked to a Mac II, using the same video card > and the same cable, switching back and forth between monitors)? > If so, what were the results? I have not done this. It would also be interesting to do this after a year of wear and tear since mechanical integrity plays a big part in the quality of monitors of this type. >4) Has anyone heard any rumors of a color-video card for the Mac II > which would be capable of generating RGB output that would be > compatible with "normal" RGB-capable monitors (i.e., those that run > at the NTSC scanning rate)? The current Apple card will generate RS170 timing. But you wouldn't want to run this kind of timing for day to day use since RS170 is an interlace standard and has terrible interlace flicker. Refer to the Amiga 400 line mode to see how bad this can be. > > My impression has been that monochrome cards/monitors tend to be > "crisper" than color cards/monitors with the same number of pixels, > and I do like that crispness... so I might be tempted to buy a > monochrome card/monitor setup for normal use, and also have a color > card that could drive my Sony KV20-XBR on those occasions when I > really want color output. This would be much less expensive than > purchasing an extra color monitor, and I'd be willing to accept the > lower resolution of the color screen, as I wouldn't be using it for > normal day-to-day desktop operations. There is no distiction made between the monochrome and color cards. There is only one card (from Apple) and it will support both monochrome and color monitors equally well. You can buy an expansion kit for the Apple card that will let it get to 8 bits per pixel. (with 256 colors available, you still get the full screen resolution of 640X480 unlike some of our competitors) I would suggest that you take a look at the color monitor before you go out an buy a monochrome display. I've seen many people look at the color display, not notice the color apple in the corner and ask to see our color monitor. Unless you look closely, you can forget that you are looking at a color display. Toby Farrand Apple Computer Advanced Technology Group These are my opinions and not necessarily Apple's
korn@cory.Berkeley.EDU.UUCP (06/17/87)
In article <1052@apple.UUCP> han@apple.UUCP (Byron Han) writes: >...And they [MacII color monitors] are shipping (so I hear). UCBerkeley's Account Executive (as well as all the local Apple dealers I've talked to) have said that Apple hasn't shipped any color monitors yet. (ahh the confusion...). I've heard August. Anyone out there hear anything different? Peter -- Peter "Arrgh" Korn Oh when, oh when will my MacII korn@ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU arrive? Oh where, oh {decvax,dual,hplabs,sdcsvax,ulysses}!ucbvax!korn where can it be?
fry@huma1.HARVARD.EDU (David Fry) (06/19/87)
In article <2889@zen.berkeley.edu> korn@cory.Berkeley.EDU.UUCP (Peter "Arrgh" Korn) writes: >In article <1052@apple.UUCP> han@apple.UUCP (Byron Han) writes: > >UCBerkeley's Account Executive (as well as all the local Apple dealers >I've talked to) have said that Apple hasn't shipped any color monitors yet. >(ahh the confusion...). I've heard August. > >Anyone out there hear anything different? > >Peter I got my Mac II all set up today, but minus a color monitor. Here at Harvard they're telling us it will be a couple of more weeks. David Fry fry@huma1.harvard.EDU Department of Mathematics fry@harvma1.bitnet Harvard University ...!harvard!huma1!fry Cambridge, MA 02138
g556871349ea@deneb.ucdavis.edu (G556871349ea) (05/24/89)
What can anyone tell me about the MultiScan monitors such as the Mitsubishi DiamondScan or the NEC MacSync? I want to get a MultiSynch so that I have one color monitor to use between my Mac and my PC. I heard that the SONY MultiScan bows seriously. Any information is appreciated. Colin Ong Dept. LAWR UC Davis g556871349ea@deneb.ucdavis.edu