cloos@batcomputer.tn.cornell.edu (James H. Cloos Jr.) (04/16/89)
I'm deciding whether to purchase SuitcaseII or MasterJuggler, and would like some info on them, as funds for this are limited to one or the other. I have had a chance to play with SuitcaseII for a while, but not with MasterJuggler, or its predecesors. One thing I noticed, is that I was unable to open any sound files with SuitcaseII, though sounds installed in the System could be sampled. I would prefer to be able to store my sounds in "suitcases" rather than in the System, so this is quasi important to me. (Until I purchase my own Mac, I'll be stuck with 1Meg machines; too large a System will be cripleing; the ability to easily change my default "beep" while still keeping the System file relatively small is a very nice perk.) Can SuitcaseII open sound files? Can MasterJuggler? (As a sidenote, I've heard something lately about a Sound/FKey mover a al Font/DA mover; do the sounds have to be in a Sound/FKey mover document for SuitcaseII to recognise them? Where can I get this program if so? Is it 3rd party, shareware/freeware, etc.?) Thanks for any info on this. -JimC -- James H. Cloos, Jr. "Entropy isn't what it used to be." jhc@Crnlvax5.BITNET --c/o Fortune @ batcomputer.UUCP jhc@Vax5.CCS.Cornell.ED #include <std_disclaimers.h> cornell!vax1!vax5.cit.cornell.edu!jhc@rochester.UUCP B-7 Upson Hall, Cornell Univ., Ithaca, NY 14853 +1 607 272 4519 Urgent mail to: cloos@TcGould.TN.Cornell.EDU cloos@CrnlThry.BITNET or: batcomputer!cloos@cornell.UUCP
newman@ut-emx.UUCP (Dave Newman) (04/17/89)
You ask about Suitcase II and MasterJuggler. I have Suitcase II, and
a friend has MasterJuggler. He is converting to Suitcase II for reasons
that are unknown to me, but he says Suitcase II is a much better product.
As for the Sound and FKey movers, you are looking for the programs called
Sound Mover and FKey Manager respectively. I believe that they are on the
SUMEX archives or on CIS since I have them, and those are the two main places
that I get such things.
>>Davesvc@well.UUCP (Leonard Rosenthol) (04/17/89)
In article <7755@batcomputer.tn.cornell.edu>, cloos@batcomputer.tn.cornell.edu (James H. Cloos Jr.) writes: > I'm deciding whether to purchase SuitcaseII or MasterJuggler, and would > like some info on them, as funds for this are limited to one or the other. > I own both products and have settled on SuitcaseII for a number of reasons. when I first got MasterJuggler (v1.0 at Boston '88) I was quite impressed with the MANY features that it offered. It combined the features of not only Suitcase (and then some) but also of SoundMaster, OnCue and a couple of other utilties. Since I had the memory I was willing to give it the memory it needed to accomplish that task UNTIL I installed it and went to open all of my suitcases (Fonts, DA, etc.) only to discover that when opening file number 13, I got an error message telling me it could not open moore than 12 files. No problem, I thought, Suitcase had a setting as to how many files it could open, so I figured so did MJ and I'd just change it. Read through the docs, nothing. Finally called their TechSupport and was told that 12 files was a HARD CODED MAX and that was that and they had no intention of changing it. Well MJ went bye bye from my hard disk and has not returned. I am very content with SuitcaseII, not only for that reason but also because SCII allows me to change open suitcases. This means if you want to add/remove FONTs/DA, etc. from a suitcase you have open, you don't have to first close it (like you do with MJ) - you just make the changes. VERY NICE!! > One thing I noticed, is that I was unable to open any sound files with > SuitcaseII, though sounds installed in the System could be sampled. I > would prefer to be able to store my sounds in "suitcases" rather than in > the System, so this is quasi important to me. (Until I purchase my own > Mac, I'll be stuck with 1Meg machines; too large a System will be > cripleing; the ability to easily change my default "beep" while still > keeping the System file relatively small is a very nice perk.) Can > SuitcaseII open sound files? Can MasterJuggler? > You were probably not doing it correctly. All of my sounds are stored in a file called (appropriately enough) 'mySnds' which SuitcaseII is nice enough to load for me. You need to use the 'Open Any File' option to get it to find your snd file (or it needs to be a special type, which I forget and the former is easier anyway!). You can also keep multiple sound files if you really want :-) > (As a sidenote, I've heard something lately about a Sound/FKey mover a al > Font/DA mover; do the sounds have to be in a Sound/FKey mover document for > SuitcaseII to recognise them? Where can I get this program if so? Is it > 3rd party, shareware/freeware, etc.?) > I believe there are programs(note the s) called Sound Mover and FKEY Mover that do what you want. Sound Mover is part of the SoundPackage by the same guy who did IBeep (forget his name). FKEY Mover was done by Carlos ??? many moons ago and is supposedly no longer compatible with current O.S./MF. -- +--------------------------------------------------+ Leonard Rosenthol | GEnie : MACgician Lazerware, inc. | MacNet: MACgician UUCP: svc@well.UUCP | ALink : D0025
brecher@well.UUCP (Steve Brecher) (04/17/89)
In article <7755@batcomputer.tn.cornell.edu>, cloos@batcomputer.tn.cornell.edu (James H. Cloos Jr.) writes: > One thing I noticed, is that I was unable to open any sound files with > SuitcaseII, though sounds installed in the System could be sampled. I would > prefer to be able to store my sounds in "suitcases" rather than in the > System, so this is quasi important to me. ... Can SuitcaseII open sound > Files? Can MasterJuggler? Both products can open files containing 'snd ' resources. Suitcase II's file selection dialog will show files having the file type codes 'Smg2' (created by The Sound Man utility) and 'SFIL' (created by the Sound Mover utility, which is a shareware product included on the Suitcase II product disk by Sound Mover's author's permission). If the file has another type code, the "Show all file types" checkbox in Suitcase II's file selection dialog will allow you to open it. > Until I purchase my own Mac, I'll be stuck with 1Meg machines; too large a > System will be cripleing; the ability to easily change my default "beep" > while still keeping the System file relatively small is a very nice perk. There is no direct relation between the size of the System file and RAM usage. The advantages of keeping resources in suitcase files rather than in the System file are flexibility and convenience, not reduced RAM usage. The System file is not read into RAM as a whole; it is a disk repository of resources which are read into RAM as they are used, and remain in RAM only while they are used. The same is true of suitcase files. I am the author of Suitcase II. -- brecher@well.UUCP (Steve Brecher)
folta@tove.umd.edu (Wayne Folta) (04/19/89)
I have only used Suitcase II, so I cannot discuss both sides of the issue. BUT, in addition to being a great program, Suitcase II has the *best* documentation of any program I have ever bought. It is thorough, going *way* beyond the minimum it could have settled for--actually making it a textbook on fonts, NFNTs, sounds, and so on. It even describes problems that are pretty much unrelated to Suitcase (PM 2.0 and MultiFinder, SuperPaint and many fonts, etc.) Maybe Juggler has this as well--others can comment--but the manual is a feature that usually doesn't make it into feature-comparison charts. Congratulations Steve! Wayne Folta (folta@tove.umd.edu 128.8.128.42)
phssra@mathcs.emory.edu (Scott R. Anderson) (05/08/89)
In article <11331@well.UUCP> svc@well.UUCP (Leonard Rosenthol) writes: >In article <7755@batcomputer.tn.cornell.edu>, cloos@batcomputer.tn.cornell.edu (James H. Cloos Jr.) writes: >> I'm deciding whether to purchase SuitcaseII or MasterJuggler, and would >> like some info on them, as funds for this are limited to one or the other. >> ... >> Can SuitcaseII open sound files? Can MasterJuggler? Yes, MasterJuggler can open sound files, along with font, da, and fkey files. >> (As a sidenote, I've heard something lately about a Sound/FKey mover a al >> Font/DA mover; do the sounds have to be in a Sound/FKey mover document for >> SuitcaseII to recognise them? Where can I get this program if so? Is it >> 3rd party, shareware/freeware, etc.?) >> > I believe there are programs(note the s) called Sound Mover and FKEY >Mover that do what you want. It sounds like you are refering to the "FKey/Sound Mover" program that comes with MasterJuggler. It seems to work with any resource file, not just the ones it creates. The package also has a utility for converting sound files to snd resources. * * ** Scott Robert Anderson gatech!emoryu1!phssra * * * ** phssra@unix.cc.emory.edu phssra@emoryu1.bitnet * * * * * ** * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
mstuard@oucsace.cs.OHIOU.EDU (Mike Stuard) (05/09/89)
In article <4016@emory.mathcs.emory.edu>, phssra@mathcs.emory.edu (Scott R. Anderson) writes: > In article <11331@well.UUCP> svc@well.UUCP (Leonard Rosenthol) writes: > >In article <7755@batcomputer.tn.cornell.edu>, cloos@batcomputer.tn.cornell.edu (James H. Cloos Jr.) writes: > >> I'm deciding whether to purchase SuitcaseII or MasterJuggler, and would > >> like some info on them, as funds for this are limited to one or the other. another question about Master Juggler. Does it colide with many other inits I have had a problem with Suitcase coliding with other inits and causing problems. -- Deviant disclaimer: OOP! ACK! DON'T PANIC, It's not that important anyhow. /-> mstuard @ ace.cs.OHIOU.EDU Michael J. Stuard--> cs614 @ ouaccvmb.BITNET \-> 73100,3646 @ Compuserve(checked every blue moon or two)
brecher@well.UUCP (Steve Brecher) (05/10/89)
In article <583@oucsace.cs.OHIOU.EDU>, mstuard@oucsace.cs.OHIOU.EDU (Mike Stuard) writes: > I have had a problem with Suitcase coliding with other inits and causing > problems. Couuld you elaborate? Suitcase or Suitcase II? Which INITs?, and which version? Which other INITs? I am the author of Suitcase II. -- brecher@well.UUCP (Steve Brecher)
jh0576@leah.Albany.Edu (J Houghtaling) (05/11/89)
In article <11606@well.UUCP>, brecher@well.UUCP (Steve Brecher) writes: > > In article <583@oucsace.cs.OHIOU.EDU>, mstuard@oucsace.cs.OHIOU.EDU > (Mike Stuard) writes: > > > I have had a problem with Suitcase coliding with other inits and causing > > problems. > > Could you elaborate? Suitcase or Suitcase II? Which INITs? > and which version? Which other INITs? > > I am the author of Suitcase II. I, personally, have had problems when Suitcase II loads before SuperClock! Version 3.1. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- joe houghtaling | procrastination is the | art of keeping | up with yesterday | -- don marquis
peter@aucs.UUCP (Peter Steele) (05/11/89)
>> I have had a problem with Suitcase coliding with other inits and causing >> problems. I use Suitcase along with a dozen other inits of all sorts. Suitcase hasn't complained even once. I use Suitcase II now, but also used Suitcase I. My biggest complaint with Suitcase II is its user interface--ugh! -- Peter Steele, Microcomputer Applications Analyst Acadia University, Wolfville, NS, Canada B0P1X0 (902)542-2201x121 UUCP: {uunet|watmath|utai|garfield}!dalcs!aucs!Peter BITNET: Peter@Acadia Internet: Peter%Acadia.BITNET@CUNYVM.CUNY.EDU
xxiaoye@eleazar.dartmouth.edu (Xiaoxia Ye) (05/11/89)
In article <1834@leah.Albany.Edu> jh0576@leah.Albany.Edu (J Houghtaling) writes: [...] >> > I have had a problem with Suitcase coliding with other inits and causing >> > problems. >> >> Could you elaborate? Suitcase or Suitcase II? Which INITs? >> and which version? Which other INITs? >> >> I am the author of Suitcase II. > >I, personally, have had problems when Suitcase II loads before SuperClock! >Version 3.1. I have ALWAYS been using SuperClock 3.1 and Suitcase II together with Suitcase loaded first, and have no problem with it whatsoever. As a matter of fact, Suitcase is about the second or third init that get loaded among the fourteen or fifteen inits I have ( I recently trimmed them down a bit since I got tired of waiting for that many inits to load). And SuperClock is among the last few to load. Could it be that some of your other inits conflict with SuperClock ? ________________________________________________________________________ Xiaoxia Ye INTERNET/BITNET/UUCP: xxiaoye@eleazar.dartmouth.edu Dartmouth College For more info: finger xxiaoye@eleazar.dartmouth.edu
jh0576@leah.Albany.Edu (J Houghtaling) (05/12/89)
You're right; I just rearranged the INIT names and it runs fine. I wonder
which combination was crashing me? I'll check; there definitely was some
conflict.
-----------------------------------------------------------------------------
joe houghtaling | procrastination is the
the state university of newyor | art of keeping
at albany | up with yesterday
| -- don marquisflash@cs.qmc.ac.uk (Flash Sheridan) (05/12/89)
In article <1834@leah.Albany.Edu> jh0576@leah.Albany.Edu (J Houghtaling) writes: >In article <11606@well.UUCP>, brecher@well.UUCP (Steve Brecher) writes: >> >> In article <583@oucsace.cs.OHIOU.EDU>, mstuard@oucsace.cs.OHIOU.EDU >> (Mike Stuard) writes: >> >> > I have had a problem with Suitcase coliding with other inits and causing >> > problems. >> Me, never, and I like weird INITs. (Mac II, 4 bit color, System a combination of 6.02 and 6.03, Suitcase II & 1) Of course, it could just be that I blame anything else rather than Suitcase. -- From: flash@cs.qmc.ac.uk (Flash Sheridan) Reply-To: sheridan@nsfnet-relay.ac.uk Portal,MacNet: FlashsMom
xxiaoye@eleazar.dartmouth.edu (Xiaoxia Ye) (05/13/89)
In article <1867@aucs.UUCP> peter@aucs.UUCP (Peter Steele) writes: [..] >I use Suitcase along with a dozen other inits of all sorts. Suitcase hasn't >complained even once. I use Suitcase II now, but also used Suitcase I. My >biggest complaint with Suitcase II is its user interface--ugh! > >-- >Peter Steele, Microcomputer Applications Analyst Kidding! I don't want to incur much flame on saying this. But, Suitcase II's interface is so elegant !!! Have you ever seen the BIG and all-encompassing window that MasterJuggler forces to you to face ???? The author of Suitcase II did a good job by keeping the sub-dialog boxes (for open inspect, show, settings .. etc) within the confines of its root dialog box, which only occupies less than half of the screen even on the Plus's 9-inch moniter. Well, MasterJuggler also keeps all of its dialog boxes within the confines of it's root dialog box, BUT the root dialog box already covers the entire screen. -EOF- ________________________________________________________________________ Xiaoxia Ye INTERNET/BITNET/UUCP: xxiaoye@eleazar.dartmouth.edu Dartmouth College For more info: finger xxiaoye@eleazar.dartmouth.edu
t-jacobs@wasatch.utah.edu (Tony Jacobs) (05/13/89)
In article <13473@dartvax.Dartmouth.EDU> xxiaoye@eleazar.dartmouth.edu (Xiaoxia Ye) writes: >Kidding! I don't want to incur much flame on saying this. But, >Suitcase II's interface is so elegant !!! Have you ever seen the BIG >and all-encompassing window that MasterJuggler forces to you to face >???? (stuf deleted) True it does use a large window in the main panel, BUT you only have to use that when setting things up. I use MasterJuggler constantly and almost never have to bring up the mail panel, maybe once a week or less. I have heard a lot of support for Suitcase and not much for MJ. I'd like to put in a good word for the Juggler. It does have the shortcomming of not being able to open very many files. For me that is no problem, I keep all my common DA's in a DA file and all my Sounds in a Sound file etc. So I have 4 files open. This leaves me plenty of space for new files I want to try out and if I like them then I install them in their respective files. What I like the most about MJ is the Hot Keys to bring scrolling lists up of Applications, DA's, Fkeys, Fonts, and Sounds. It also allows me to do the same things that On Que does, pop up a heir-menu of applications with documents belonging to the applications as sub menus. It also allows me to popup a menu of the current applications windows that I can switch to. MasterJuggler is very good at resolving resource ID conflicts. It also comes with a number of resource installer utilities. One last comment on the negative side. MJ seems to have a conflict with the hierDA init. I don't know whos fault it really is but when MJ is running the sub menus in the Control Panel don't take you to the item when the panel comes up. Not real serious, but I wish it wouldn't do that. -- Tony Jacobs * Center for Engineering Design * U of U * t-jacobs@ced.utah.edu
phssra@mathcs.emory.edu (Scott R. Anderson) (05/25/89)
In article <1807@wasatch.utah.edu> t-jacobs@wasatch.utah.edu (Tony Jacobs) writes: >One last comment on the negative side. MJ seems to have a conflict with the >hierDA init. I don't know whos fault it really is but when MJ is running the >sub menus in the Control Panel don't take you to the item when the panel comes >up. Not real serious, but I wish it wouldn't do that. I am using both MasterJuggler (V 1.13) and HierDA (V 0.9967), and I have no problem accessing the Control Panel submenu. Maybe there is some other conflict? * * ** Scott Robert Anderson gatech!emoryu1!phssra * * * ** phssra@unix.cc.emory.edu phssra@emoryu1.bitnet * * * * * ** * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
lauac@haida.qal.berkeley.edu (Alexander Lau) (05/26/89)
In article <4065@emory.mathcs.emory.edu> phssra@emory.UUCP (Scott Robert Anderson) writes: >In article <1807@wasatch.utah.edu> t-jacobs@wasatch.utah.edu (Tony Jacobs) writes: >>One last comment on the negative side. MJ seems to have a conflict with the >>hierDA init. I don't know whos fault it really is but when MJ is running the >>sub menus in the Control Panel don't take you to the item when the panel comes >>up. Not real serious, but I wish it wouldn't do that. > >I am using both MasterJuggler (V 1.13) and HierDA (V 0.9967), and I have no >problem accessing the Control Panel submenu. Maybe there is some other >conflict? > * ** Scott Robert Anderson gatech!emoryu1!phssra There is a new version of hierDA (pronounced "here-duh" :-)) out by the author, version 0.9976. (as opposed to 0.9967). This fixes problems with Master Juggler and Font/DA Juggler. However, it has been renamed "DA Menuz" in order to load BEFORE Font/DA Juggler, so as to reduce the chances of problems and bombs. I'm not at my Mac, so I can't quite upload it. I'm sure someone else can and will. --- Alex Standard disclaimers apply. Standard .signature not available. Standard sarcasm applies. Offer void where inapplicable. I wonder if Pnews will accept my posting by now...