vogelei@nmtsun.nmt.edu (Todd Vogelei) (06/02/89)
I bought a program called vision from a company called opcode for music sequencing, it is copy protected and I usually stear clear of such things but this program is too good to not have and I know of no other tool for the job that fits my needs so well. It will allow you to install it onto a hard disk, you can uninstall it to move it and must uninstall it before running HD tuneup, diskfit, or attempting to restore a HD from a backup. The manual says failure to do so will corrupt the program. The manual did not mention gatekeeper which I haven't heard from in so long I forgot it was running. Gatekeeper vetoed the installation but the master disk thinks iot is installed! I can't uninstall it because it never made it to begin with. At the rate I have had problems with my hard drive, I'm likely to lose one of these every month or so. They only ship you one disk, a backup is shipped on registration. Does anybody know of a way to disable the copy protection on this thing? I'm gonna give opcode a bad time tomorrow but I really want to copy the floppy a bunch of times so I can have an installable copy anytime I mung the one I have online. I suspect the thing will sommit suicide if it thinks it is being fooled with so I need to be really careful. Todd vogelei@nmtsun
mcdonald@uxe.cso.uiuc.edu (06/04/89)
>I bought a program called vision from a company called opcode for music >sequencing, it is copy protected and I usually stear clear of such >things but this program is too good to not have and I know of no other >tool for the job that fits my needs so well. Anybody who buys copy protected software deservers what they get.
kaufman@polya.Stanford.EDU (Marc T. Kaufman) (06/05/89)
In article <46100307@uxe.cso.uiuc.edu> mcdonald@uxe.cso.uiuc.edu writes: ->I bought a program called vision from a company called opcode for music ->sequencing, it is copy protected and I usually stear clear of such ->things but this program is too good to not have and I know of no other ->tool for the job that fits my needs so well. >Anybody who buys copy protected software deservers what they get. Well, yes,... but if you REALLY want to crack the copy protection buy MacNosy by Jasik Designs. It's not cheap, but it's really good at helping you disassemble code so you can figure out where to patch things. There is also a cute little FKEY that will write out all code resources it finds, presumably after they have been loaded and unprotected. Between the two of them, I'm sure you (if you are a good hacker) can undo the copy protection. It can take a couple of days, especially if they tried to do silly things like patch the segment loader to decrypt the code as it is loaded, or scramble the jump table, or modify code on the fly (so that an inserted breakpoint screws up the modification), or... Given the existence of MacNosy, I don't know why companies even bother to try to copy-protect programs. Marc Kaufman (kaufman@polya.stanford.edu)
cbm@well.UUCP (Chris Muir) (06/06/89)
mcdonald@uxe.cso.uiuc.edu writes: >Anybody who buys copy protected software deservers what they get. While this may be true for business software, nearly _ALL_ the professional music software is copy protected. -- _______________________________________________________________________________ Chris Muir | "There is no language in our lungs {hplabs,pacbell,ucbvax,apple} | to tell the world just how we feel" !well!cbm | - A. Partridge
ts@cup.portal.com (Tim W Smith) (06/06/89)
Master Tracks Pro has a similar copy protection. Copy II Mac is unable to make backup floppies. However, if you eject the disk with a paper clip just before clicking "INSTALL" and write protect it, the program doesn't notice! So at least you don't lose an installation when you forget about it and run HD Tuneup. If I don't have a paper clip around, I just cover the write protect hole with a piece of paper, insert the disk, and pull the paper out at the correct time. All that trouble, and they overlook the paper clip trick. Amazing! Tim Smith
gordon@netcom.UUCP (Brian Gordon) (06/07/89)
In article <12009@well.UUCP> cbm@well.UUCP (Chris Muir) writes: >mcdonald@uxe.cso.uiuc.edu writes: >>Anybody who buys copy protected software deservers what they get. > >While this may be true for business software, nearly _ALL_ >the professional music software is copy protected. Hmmmmm. Good ole' DMCS is no longer copy protected. Is that not "professional" or part of the "nearly"? It does seem true that protected/non-protected runs in clumps -- if one program of type X is protected, most others will be, too. In general, I don't buy them -- I paid for the $@#%! hard disk, and I intend to USE it.
hal@krishna.cs.cornell.edu (Hal Perkins) (06/07/89)
>>>Anybody who buys copy protected software deservers what they get. >> >>While this may be true for business software, nearly _ALL_ >>the professional music software is copy protected. > >Hmmmmm. Good ole' DMCS is no longer copy protected. Is that not >"professional" or part of the "nearly"? Is Finale (sp?) protected? One would hope that at $1000 a copy, you wouldn't have to put up with such nonsense. But then again, at $1000 a copy, the temptation to make a pirate copy is higher than normal, so they might feel they have to do it. Hal Perkins hal@cs.cornell.edu Cornell CS
vogelei@nmtsun.nmt.edu (Todd Vogelei) (06/07/89)
In article <1382@netcom.UUCP gordon@netcom.UUCP (Brian Gordon) writes: In article <12009@well.UUCP cbm@well.UUCP (Chris Muir) writes: mcdonald@uxe.cso.uiuc.edu writes: Anybody who buys copy protected software deservers what they get. While this may be true for business software, nearly _ALL_ the professional music software is copy protected. Hmmmmm. Good ole' DMCS is no longer copy protected. Is that not "professional" or part of the "nearly"? This toy is not even in the same *LEAGUE* as Vision or Performer and just don't do it for me. Todd vogelei@nmtsun
ts@cup.portal.com (Tim W Smith) (06/07/89)
Since most or all of the MIDI sequencers and recorders for the Mac are copy protected, how do we avoid them? Tim Smith
Greg@AppleLink.Apple.Com (Greggy) (06/07/89)
In article <46100307@uxe.cso.uiuc.edu> mcdonald@uxe.cso.uiuc.edu writes: >> [ someone describes his trouble installing copy protected software on >> his hard disk ] > Anybody who buys copy protected software deservers[sic] what they get. What they deserve is full support from the supplier of the software. What they don't deserve is an unsympathetic snide remark. ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ + Greg Marriott + AppleLink: Greg + + Just Some Guy + + + "My phone is always busy" + Internet: Greg@AppleLink.Apple.Com + ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ + Apple Computer, Inc. + + 20525 Mariani Ave, MS-27bc, Cupertino, CA 95014 + + (408)974-busy + ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++