currier@prandtl.nas.nasa.gov (Jeffrey M. Currier) (07/19/89)
In the new version (2.3) of NCSA Telnet the talk about MacTCP. I have an ethernet board in my Mac II, but I don't have MacTCP. What are the advantages of MacTCP? How can I get it? Is it free? or How much? Thanks -------------------------------------------- Jeff Currier (602)621-4948 | Computational Fluid Mechanics Lab | University of Arizona, Tucson | currier@prandtl.nas.nasa.gov | alternate: jeffc@neptune.ame.arizona.edu | --------------------------------------------
rickf@Apple.COM (Rick Fleischman) (07/19/89)
In article <2553@amelia.nas.nasa.gov> currier@prandtl.nas.nasa.gov (Jeffrey M. Currier) writes: >In the new version (2.3) of NCSA Telnet the talk about >MacTCP. I have an ethernet board in my Mac II, but I don't have >MacTCP. What are the advantages of MacTCP? How can I get it? >Is it free? or How much? MacTCP is currently available through APDA for $100.00. This is the single copy price. The part number is M0230LL/A. A documentation-only version is also available for $60.00. The part number for that is M0216LL/A. You can reach APDA at (800) 282-2732. Site licenses for this product are also available from: Apple Computer Software Licensing 20525 Mariani Avenue, M/S 38I Cupertino, CA 95014 MacTCP allows a Macintosh running under Mac OS to access a TCP/IP network running over either Ethernet or LocalTalk cables. Rick Fleischman Developer Channels Apple Computer, Inc. rickf@apple.com AppleLink: FLEISCHMAN@applelink.apple.com
kdb@intercon.uu.net (Kurt Baumann) (07/19/89)
In article <2553@amelia.nas.nasa.gov>, currier@prandtl.nas.nasa.gov (Jeffrey M. Currier) writes: > In the new version (2.3) of NCSA Telnet the talk about > MacTCP. I have an ethernet board in my Mac II, but I don't have > MacTCP. What are the advantages of MacTCP? How can I get it? > Is it free? or How much? > > Thanks > > > -------------------------------------------- > Jeff Currier (602)621-4948 | > Computational Fluid Mechanics Lab | > University of Arizona, Tucson | > currier@prandtl.nas.nasa.gov | > alternate: jeffc@neptune.ame.arizona.edu | > -------------------------------------------- MacTCP can be gotten from APDA, I think that the cost is about $100. It is a driver so that many applications may use it at the sametime. Useful if you have a database and something like NCSA running. I don't know of too many applications that currently use the drivers. NCSA Telnet, SU-MacIP, and TCP/Connect are all that I am aware of. If there are others I would be interested in knowing about them. -- Kurt Baumann InterCon Systems Corporation 46950 Community Plaza Suite 101-132 Sterling, VA 22170 Phone: 703.450.7117
timk@zaphod.ncsa.uiuc.edu (07/19/89)
MacTCP is a TCP/IP driver from Apple Computer. There are three ways which I know of to get a copy: 1. APDA single machine license 2. Site license - call Apple licensing 3. Purchase a product such as TCP/Connect. Any company can arrange with Apple (for a price) to ......asdf.asdf (legal muckety muck) l...... so that each user gets a machine license to use MacTCP with the product. NCSA Telnet does not come with MacTCP, so you have to obtain a license for it yourself. You can, of course, continue to use our TCP/IP layers instead(they cannot co-reside with MacTCP). Source to MacTCP calling routines and our TCP/IP layers is provided with v2.3. Tim Krauskopf NCSA
ech@cbnewsk.ATT.COM (ned.horvath) (07/20/89)
In article <2553@amelia.nas.nasa.gov>, currier@prandtl.nas.nasa.gov (Jeffrey M. Currier) writes: > In the new version (2.3) of NCSA Telnet the talk about > MacTCP. I have an ethernet board in my Mac II, but I don't have > MacTCP. What are the advantages of MacTCP? How can I get it? > Is it free? or How much? From article <1282@intercon.UUCP>, by kdb@intercon.uu.net (Kurt Baumann): > MacTCP can be gotten from APDA, I think that the cost is about $100. It > is a driver so that many applications may use it at the sametime... Except that (1) NCSA Telnet needs to be rewritten (and large chunks scrapped outright) to exploit MacTCP; and (2) Apple charges the distributor of a program $2500 (one time, I think; or that may be annual; anybody on the net from Apple SW licensing?) for distribution. Now if Apple could waive the fee for a PD program like this... A more interesting question is what it might take to combine MacTCP with the new Comm Manager -- there's not much to Telnet proper -- so most of the NCSA Telnet package is "in the libraries." Hmm... =Ned Horvath=
desnoyer@apple.com (Peter Desnoyers) (07/21/89)
In article <662@cbnewsk.ATT.COM> ech@cbnewsk.ATT.COM (ned.horvath) writes: > In article <2553@amelia.nas.nasa.gov>, currier@prandtl.nas.nasa.gov (Jeffrey M. Currier) writes: > > In the new version (2.3) of NCSA Telnet the talk about > > MacTCP. I have an ethernet board in my Mac II, but I don't have > > MacTCP. What are the advantages of MacTCP? How can I get it? > > Is it free? or How much? > > From article <1282@intercon.UUCP>, by kdb@intercon.uu.net (Kurt Baumann): > > MacTCP can be gotten from APDA, I think that the cost is about $100. It > > is a driver so that many applications may use it at the sametime... > > Except that (1) NCSA Telnet needs to be rewritten (and large chunks scrapped > outright) to exploit MacTCP; This has already been done for you. NCSA Telnet 2.3 works with MacTCP. > and (2) Apple charges the distributor of a > program $2500 (one time, I think; or that may be annual; anybody on the net > from Apple SW licensing?) for distribution. Now if Apple could waive the > fee for a PD program like this... MacTCP is an init, separate from the program that uses it. It is not distributed with NCSA Telnet - you buy it separately. It costs $100 a pop or $1000 (I think??) for a site license. You don't pay merely for distributing programs that work with MacTCP. (as I understand it) The $2500 may be for distributing MacTCP with your product, so your customers don't have to shell out an extra $100. I have no idea, really. Note that the main advantage of MacTCP is that it lets you run multiple applications which use TCP, as well as letting you use TCP from HyperCard XCMDs and your own programs. > > A more interesting question is what it might take to combine MacTCP with > the new Comm Manager -- there's not much to Telnet proper -- so most of > the NCSA Telnet package is "in the libraries." Hmm... At first glance it seems easy - make a TCP tool and combine it with a vt100 tool. But I have no idea how you would do the Telnet option negotiation. > > =Ned Horvath= Peter Desnoyers Apple ATG (408) 974-4469 Disclaimer - I am in no way associated with Apple Marketing, Sales, or Licensing. Prices shown above are opinions for discussion rather than quotes or offers.
amanda@intercon.uu.net (Amanda Walker) (07/21/89)
In article <662@cbnewsk.ATT.COM>, ech@cbnewsk.ATT.COM (ned.horvath) writes: > NCSA Telnet needs to be rewritten (and large chunks scrapped > outright) to exploit MacTCP; How so? What stuff in MacTCP does NCSA Telnet 2.3 not "exploit?" What large chunks need to be scrapped? The MacTCP version of NCSA Telnet 2.3 has a completely new network module that uses MacTCP instead of Tim & Gaige's network code. Yeah, it might be possible to tune it a little more (although it still gives a lot better performance than the non-MacTCP version), but I can't see anything else. Truly curious, -- Amanda Walker InterCon Systems Corporation -- amanda@intercon.uu.net | ...!uunet!intercon!amanda
z8my@vax5.CIT.CORNELL.EDU (07/21/89)
Ned: In article <662@cbnewsk.ATT.COM> ech@cbnewsk.ATT.COM (ned.horvath) writes: >Except that (1) NCSA Telnet needs to be rewritten (and large chunks scrapped >outright) to exploit MacTCP; and (2) Apple charges the distributor of a Those demons an UIUC have already produced a MacTCP version of NCSA Telnet! >=Ned Horvath= Sam Paik d65y@vax5.cit.cornell.edu
rickf@Apple.COM (Rick Fleischman) (07/21/89)
In article <2937@internal.Apple.COM> desnoyer@apple.com (Peter Desnoyers) writes: >MacTCP is an init, separate from the program that uses it. It is not >distributed with NCSA Telnet - you buy it separately. It costs $100 >a pop or $1000 (I think??) for a site license. You don't pay merely >for distributing programs that work with MacTCP. (as I understand it) >The $2500 may be for distributing MacTCP with your product, so your >customers don't have to shell out an extra $100. I have no idea, really. A single-use license version of MacTCP is available through APDA for $100. You can reach APDA at (800) 282-2732. Licenses for MacTCP are available from Apple Software Licensing: Apple Computer Software Licensing 20525 Mariani Avenue, M/S 38-I Cupertino, CA 95014 Typical prices for licenses are: $2500 -- Internal-use site license $5000 -- Commercial-use license There are also special licenses available for educational institutions. Contact Software Licensing at the above address for details. Rick Fleischman Developer Channels Apple Computer, Inc. rickf@apple.com AppleLink: FLEISCHMAN@applelink.apple.com
timk@zaphod.ncsa.uiuc.edu (07/21/89)
> >Ned: > >In article <662@cbnewsk.ATT.COM> ech@cbnewsk.ATT.COM (ned.horvath) writes: >>Except that (1) NCSA Telnet needs to be rewritten (and large chunks scrapped >>outright) to exploit MacTCP; and (2) Apple charges the distributor of a > >Those demons an UIUC have already produced a MacTCP version of NCSA Telnet! > >>=Ned Horvath= > >Sam Paik >d65y@vax5.cit.cornell.edu > It is no secret trick. We have been working with and helping Apple test MacTCP since August of 1988. Both MacTCP 1.0 and NCSA Telnet 2.3 are available now. See our recently posted information sheet for how to get a copy. As Ned pointed out, we do not distribute MacTCP itself. You can look into getting a site license from Apple or individual licenses from APDA, or for free, you can continue using our TCP/IP protocol implementation instead of MacTCP. Tim Krauskopf NCSA
mithomas@bsu-cs.bsu.edu (Michael Thomas Niehaus) (07/21/89)
> Apple Computer, Inc.
By my count at our site, we received 8 messages in a row from Apple employees
and 12 of the last 14 were from Apple.
It's like a convention. Keep up the good work...
-Michael
--
Michael Niehaus UUCP: <backbones>!{iuvax,pur-ee}!bsu-cs!mithomas
Apple Student Rep ARPA: mithomas@bsu-cs.bsu.edu
Ball State University AppleLink: ST0374 (from UUCP: st0374@applelink.apple.com)lance@hermix.UUCP (Lance Ellinghouse) (07/21/89)
In article <662@cbnewsk.ATT.COM>, ech@cbnewsk.ATT.COM (ned.horvath) writes:
< From article <1282@intercon.UUCP>, by kdb@intercon.uu.net (Kurt Baumann):
< > MacTCP can be gotten from APDA, I think that the cost is about $100. It
< > is a driver so that many applications may use it at the sametime...
<
< Except that (1) NCSA Telnet needs to be rewritten (and large chunks scrapped
< outright) to exploit MacTCP; and (2) Apple charges the distributor of a
< program $2500 (one time, I think; or that may be annual; anybody on the net
< from Apple SW licensing?) for distribution. Now if Apple could waive the
< fee for a PD program like this...
<
< =Ned Horvath=
NCSA Telnet comes in two versions. One that has it's own TCP/IP routines
and one that uses MacTCP *IF YOU HAVE IT ALREADY*. It does NOT come with
MacTCP because of the $2500 fee. You can get MacTCP from APDA for $100.00
one machine (only) and then get the revised version of NCSA Telnet. You
are then up and running!
--
Lance Ellinghouse
Mark V Systems, Ltd.
UUCP: ...!hermix!lance
ARPA: ucla-an!hermix!lance@ee.UCLA.EDUrpbert@phoenix.Princeton.EDU (Raymond Pierrehumbert) (07/23/89)
Does the MacTCP implementation of NCSA telnet offer any improvement of the FTP speed over the NCSA tcp/ip implementation?
timk@zaphod.ncsa.uiuc.edu (07/24/89)
Does the MacTCP implementation of NCSA telnet offer any improvement of the FTP speed over the NCSA tcp/ip implementation? Yes, it does. MacTCP approximately doubles the transfer rate under MultiFinder because it steals more time from MF than the NCSA TCP/IP does. Under Finder, the transfer speed becomes limited by the SCSI disk drive so you won't notice so much difference. The SCSI drive buffering we use limits to 60-80KB/sec. Tim Krauskopf NCSA