[comp.sys.mac] MS Word & reduced pictures

rcstfdb@eutrc3.urc.tue.nl (Frank WGM de Bruyn) (08/10/89)

PROBLEM: Imported draw graphics (PICT) will show alignment errors 
when reduced (e.g. 60 percent) within MS Word (both vs. 3.x and 4.0).

The problem does not occurr at all reduction percentages and not for 
all figures: If I add something to a problem figure (eg a rectangle),
which makes the bounding box around the entire figure bigger, 
and cut-paste-reduce the new figure, then the problem sometimes 
disappears. This seems to indicate some sort of round off error; on a 
72 DPI Mac screen I can understand that, but 300 DPI laserwriter 
output has the same problem.

It appears MS Word is to blame because,
-1- Graphics was drawn using a course grid, which makes absolutely 
sure the ends of lines are exactly on the same coordinates (MacDraw)
-2- Printing the graphics at the same reduction percentage from 
MacDraw, or from a desktop publisher (PICT import) will result in 
correctly alligned output

QUESTIONS: -Q1- Has anyone else experienced this problem?
           -Q2- Solution?
           -Q3- Work-around?
           -Q4- Explanation why this problem occurrs?

Frank de Bruyn,     UUCP: rcstfdb@eutrc3.nl
the Netherlands     ARPA: mcvax!eutrc3!rcstfdb@uunet.uu.net

pwp@shamash.cdc.com ( HOUFAC) (08/10/89)

In article <829@eutrc3.urc.tue.nl> rcstfdb@eutrc3.urc.tue.nl
    (Frank WGM de Bruyn) writes:

>PROBLEM: Imported draw graphics (PICT) will show alignment errors 
>when reduced (e.g. 60 percent) within MS Word (both vs. 3.x and 4.0).

I've had this kind of trouble when I copy PICTs from MacDraw to Word and
the Fractional Widths settings are not the same in both programs.  This
is particularly annoying because MacDraw II defaults to Fractional Widths
*on* (at least in early versions), while Word defaults to *off*.

To work around, either turn off Fractional Widths in MacDraw and re-copy your
PICT, or turn on Fractional Widths in Word.

--Peter Poorman
  Control Data Corporation
  9894 Bissonnet, Suite 229
  Houston, Texas 77036
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rcstfdb@eutrc3.urc.tue.nl (Frank WGM de Bruyn) (08/17/89)

In article <13725@shamash.cdc.com> pwp@shamash.UUCP (Pete Poorman) writes:
>In article <829@eutrc3.urc.tue.nl> rcstfdb@eutrc3.urc.tue.nl
>    (Frank WGM de Bruyn) writes:
>
>>PROBLEM: Imported draw graphics (PICT) will show alignment errors 
>>when reduced (e.g. 60 percent) within MS Word (both vs. 3.x and 4.0).
>
>I've had this kind of trouble when I copy PICTs from MacDraw to Word and
>the Fractional Widths settings are not the same in both programs.  This
>is particularly annoying because MacDraw II defaults to Fractional Widths
>*on* (at least in early versions), while Word defaults to *off*.
>
>To work around, either turn off Fractional Widths in MacDraw and re-copy your
>PICT, or turn on Fractional Widths in Word.

Sorry Pete, No Go: fractional widths only influences text, I can demo
the problem using only rectangles and/or lines drawn on a grid to
assure allignment. Reduction in MS Word will produce results that are
not alligned, i.e. the corners of the rectangles no longer meet. I
tried your suggestion against my intuition and found it NOT producing
the desired improvement.

Anyone else?

Frank de Bruyn,  Email: rcstfdb@eutrc3.nl
Eindhoven University of Tech., the Nethrelands.

rusty@hodge.UUCP (Rusty H. Hodge) (08/25/89)

In article <854@eutrc3.urc.tue.nl>, rcstfdb@eutrc3.urc.tue.nl (Frank WGM de Bruyn) writes:
> In article <13725@shamash.cdc.com> pwp@shamash.UUCP (Pete Poorman) writes:
  >In article <829@eutrc3.urc.tue.nl> rcstfdb@eutrc3.urc.tue.nl
  >    (Frank WGM de Bruyn) writes:
  >
  >>PROBLEM: Imported draw graphics (PICT) will show alignment errors 
  >>when reduced (e.g. 60 percent) within MS Word (both vs. 3.x and 4.0).
   
  >
  >To work around, either turn off Fractional Widths in MacDraw and re-copy your
  >PICT, or turn on Fractional Widths in Word.
  
> Sorry Pete, No Go: fractional widths only influences text, I can demo
> the problem using only rectangles and/or lines drawn on a grid to
> assure allignment.


I had some problems getting some of my drawings to align as well.  I
eventually didn't fix it and let it ride.  However, I found a few ways
to to work around it, basically I remember being careful in my
scaling of drawing parts within draw before importing into Word.  This
was 1.9.5, I think Draw II fixed the problem (at least partially).


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