moriarty@tc.fluke.COM (Jeff Meyer) (08/29/89)
Well, just went through the process of updating to SUM II. Yes, it has a lot more facilities features, and now that it's installed I like it. And the installation was easier than with 1.1 -- but not by much. First, let me list a few pieces of information/complaints that you should know about before installing SUM II onto your machine. Then I'll get into the more general comments. 1) *IMPORTANT* Much of the information in the "Read Me" TeachText document on Disk 2 should be read before you install SUM II onto your disk, especially if SUM 1.1 is currently there. There's no mention in the SUM installation chapter of opening this file. The information there will be very useful if your hard disk is pretty full and you already have SUM 1.1 installed on it. The rest isn't that important during installation (few incompatibilities with other programs), but will be *vital* down the road. Really, about 1/3 of the information in this Read Me file should have been in the manual NO MATTER WHAT, e.g. the fact that SUM Tuneup invalidates the Volume Restore Record and Delete File Record whenever the disk is optimized. (Yes, this seems obvious when you think about it, but think of the novice Mac user.) Another is that using the Erase Free Space option in TuneUp invalidates the ability to restore deleted files using the Delete File Record. A third is that one needs to un-mount a disk partition before trying to recover it using SUM Recover. My point is, this information should have been apparent when the manual was being written. At any rate, it should have been in the manual. 2) *MAJOR COMPLAINT/OMISSION* OK, I just mentioned that after you do a SUM Tuneup, the two invisible files at the root level, the Volume Restore Record (keeps a copy of the disk directory) and the Delete File Record (keeps track of deleted files) become useless. I used Disk Clinic to delete them, as the manual showed. Then I shut the system down, expecting the SUM Shield Cdev to put news on the disk. Nope. The files aren't there. I shutdown again. Nada. Well, I seem to remember there was a way to install them under Disk Clinic 1.1. Nope. So... I have to use the SUM Install command again. That's not the complaint, though I think that there should be an option to install these two important files via Disk Clinic -- otherwise, you have to have SUM Install on your hard disk along with Disk Clinic whenever you need to re-create these files. What *is* vital is that the manual (and, for that matter, the Read Me file) never mentions that you *need* to reinstall these files after deleting them for the Shield Cdev to work -- or that you have to use the Sum Install program to do it. Really major piece of information there. 3) *SUBSTANTIAL* There's an option on the Shield Init that allows you to make a duplicate backup of the Volume Restore Record on another volume/disk. However, they should mention that if the other disk is a floppy disk, and if you have the Shield Init set to save the Volume Restore Record at Shutdown, that the duplicate VRR isn't saved to the floppy -- the disk is ejected before it has a chance to make the duplicate. This needs to be pointed out -- again, the Novice User would just assume that it was being done. (I was able to check via DiskFit.) 4) *MAJOR OMISSION* While there are Volume Information Files (VIFs) for almost every drive in existance, including 400K and 800K disks, there is *no* VIF file for a high-density disk formatted from a SuperDrive! (The ~1.4 MB kind.) What's more, there's no way to make one, either. So good luck restoring one of them -- the VIF pretty important. 5) *MINOR* In the basic, beginner's guide to using SUM Install, it mentions that SUM will ask for both SUM disks in the beginning, to check their contents before proceeding. It doesn't -- or, it didn't for me. This is confusing, especially to the beginner trying to do exactly what the manual asks her/him to. ----- And now, some general comments: 1) HD Tuneup has become SUM Tuneup, and it is *much* improved -- as nice as DiskExpress, for the most part. It has some features DE doesn't have (lock out bad sectors, some nice graphics); the one feature it's missing is (as far as I can tell) DE's ability to put all applications at one end, and all documents at the other, when doing a disk optimize (i.e. recontiguating the free space.) This is a really nice feature that I'd like to see added in the next update. 2) Disk Clinic continues to be good enough for me to avoid the manual when recovering the disk. Not that that lets the manuals off... 3) The manual's improved -- the addition of a Disk Recovery step-by-step section is a help -- but it still tends to jumble a lot of things. Besides the things I mentioned above, they need to emphasize that any re-formatting of a disk, or re-partitioning of a disk, means that a new VIF needs to be created for the disk. This is only mentioned once, off to the side -- there should be a note about this, at least, in the SUM Partition section. I realize there's a lot of info here, and organizing it so that everybody can find out what they need is an exceedingly difficult task -- but there's some vital info here that I almost scoped over because it was half-hidden. (Or, as I mentioned above, not there in the first place.) 4) SUM Install worked well -- however, a suggestion: DON'T use the the Install VIF option -- this takes forever, as 120+ hard disk VIF files are copied to your hard disk. You only need three or four -- pick and choose via the Finder. 5) The backup program is nothing to write home about -- better than Apple's program, has incremental abilities, but is basically Redux whittled down. If you have a good backup program already, I can't see switching to this -- but if someone with a new Mac has limited backup needs and wants to get protection and backup abilities all-in-one, this is a nice deal. 6) Everything else seems to be up to snuff. ----- In summary, it appears that Symantecs listened to what their users said about 1.1 and made improvements. This is a very useful set of tools. Unfortunately, the documentation has again got some glitches that are serious enough to be a major complaint against the product. I'd recommend SUM II to anyone with a hard drive who has vital info on it (especially a beginner with the need for a limited backup package), but I'd mention that the documentation has some serious flaws. [I'm mailing these comments into Symantec via my registration card, but they weren't as detailed as I made them here. If Rich wouldn't mind forwarding this to the proper people at Symantec, I would appreciate it. (However, don't worry about it. I'm just damn glad he takes the time to distribute Think C info and answers on the net...)] Selection from TOP TEN RUMOURS ABOUT LIBYA SPREAD BY THE REAGAN ADMINISTRATION: 9. They emptied Al Capone's vault before Geraldo Rivera got there. 8. Albums sold on Libyan TV NOT recorded by original artists. 6. Don't use real butter on their movie theater popcorn. 1. Their professional wrestling is fixed. -- Late Night with David Letterman --- Moriarty, aka Jeff Meyer INTERNET: moriarty@tc.fluke.COM Manual UUCP: {uw-beaver, sun, hplsla, thebes, microsoft}!fluke!moriarty CREDO: You gotta be Cruel to be Kind... <*> DISCLAIMER: Do what you want with me, but leave my employers alone! <*>
mikek@hpvcfs1.HP.COM (Mike Kirkpatrick) (08/31/89)
I just got an 80Meg Cirrus drive which included disk management software called "Silverlining". It provides support for multipartitions, compaction, and backups. No mention was made in the documentation of any hidden management files that like those discussed above. Will someone make comments on the quality and completeness of the package compared to others like the one discussed in the basenote? Thanks, mikek@hpvclmk.hp.com