[comp.sys.mac] When is Times not Times?

geoff@pmafire.UUCP (Geoff Allen) (08/29/89)

I was making some overhead transparencies on my Mac (SE, System 6.0.2, 1
Meg., ImageWriter II) and formatted them in Times, 24 point.  When I got
them all formatted like I wanted, I went to my 'local' Apple dealer (50
miles away, but that's another story) to print them on a laser printer. 
The 24 point Times on the SE/30 (boy is it fast!) at the dealer was
bigger than my 24 point Times, so all my formatting was screwed up.  The
dealer wasn't sure what was going on.  He did mention the need to use
'tall adjusted' when preparing a document for eventual laser printing,
but he didn't think that explained the difference.

The printer was a LaserWriter IINTX, and both computers were running
Word 3.

So, why was Times not Times?

--
Geoff Allen, WINCO Computer Process Engineering
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So, what's the latest price for 1 Meg SIMMS?

oplinger@minerva.crd.ge.com (B. S. Oplinger) (08/29/89)

In article <728@pmafire.UUCP> geoff@pmafire.UUCP (Geoff Allen) writes:
>I was making some overhead transparencies on my Mac (SE, System 6.0.2, 1
>Meg., ImageWriter II) and formatted them in Times, 24 point.  When I got
[ stuff deleted about system descriptions]
>
>So, why was Times not Times?
>

It could be the question you want is so when is letter size not
letter size? That is a problem I had when creating documents at
home and then taking them to work. I was tld that the print areas
of the Imagewriter and the LaserPrinter and for that matter the
LQ Imagewriter are all different. If you formatted your document
to fit within the page (printable area) for the IW and then tried
it on a LW they are different. Try formatting your document with
the printer device of LaserWriter chosen on you home computer,
even if you do not have a LW. Hopefully this will solve your
problems, it solved mine.

Brian

d88-jwa@nada.kth.se (Jon W{tte) (08/29/89)

In article <728@pmafire.UUCP> geoff@pmafire.UUCP (Geoff Allen) writes:

>The 24 point Times on the SE/30 (boy is it fast!) at the dealer was
>bigger than my 24 point Times, so all my formatting was screwed up.  The

There are several possible solutions:

Your dealer could have a different version of Times installed (not
likely)

YOU could have.... (not likely either)

You wrote your file using PageSetup for an ImageWriter, and then
imported it to a Word for LaserWriter (I believe this is it) This
is because a) the ImageWriter uses 72 dots/inch and the LW 300 dpi
wich scales down to 75 dpi. b) the LaserWriter uses its internal
font while the ImageWriter uses the bitmapped font available in your
computer. Word accounts for this, but since your formatting was made
with the printer set for a ImageWriter...

Of course, I could be totally wrong.

Happy Hacking
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macduff@cbnewse.ATT.COM (Roger R. Espinosa) (08/30/89)

In article <1972@crdgw1.crd.ge.com>, oplinger@minerva.crd.ge.com (B. S. Oplinger) writes:
> In article <728@pmafire.UUCP> geoff@pmafire.UUCP (Geoff Allen) writes:
> >I was making some overhead transparencies on my Mac (SE, System 6.0.2, 1
> >Meg., ImageWriter II) and formatted them in Times, 24 point.  When I got
> [ stuff deleted about system descriptions]
> >
> >So, why was Times not Times?
> >
> 
> It could be the question you want is so when is letter size not
> letter size? That is a problem I had when creating documents at
> home and then taking them to work. I was tld that the print areas
> of the Imagewriter and the LaserPrinter and for that matter the
> 
> Brian

What Brian says is a problem in switching drivers; but I think
what B.S. Oplinger is commenting is that even with the correct
drivers, 12-point Times comes out *huge* on the LaserWriter, while
it's very tiny on the Macintosh screen.  

I recently downloaded lots of screen fonts from the adobe
directly on sumex, among them was Times.  I thought I'd get
the same old Times that came with my system disk, only with
defined italics and bold faces.  HAH!  Adobe Times *is different*
from Apple Times ... it's *larger*.  I would guess that this
is the problem described above.

Just a guess.

Roger

holland@m2.csc.ti.com (Fred Hollander) (08/30/89)

>The 24 point Times on the SE/30 (boy is it fast!) at the dealer was
>bigger than my 24 point Times, so all my formatting was screwed up.  The

Could be one of you was using Apple's screen fonts and the other Adobe's.
I don't know first hand, but, I've heard the formatting may be different.

-Fred

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av@tolsun.oulu.fi (Ari Vaulo) (08/31/89)

From article <728@pmafire.UUCP>, by geoff@pmafire.UUCP (Geoff Allen):
> I was making some overhead transparencies on my Mac (SE, System 6.0.2, 1
> Meg., ImageWriter II) and formatted them in Times, 24 point.  When I got
> them all formatted like I wanted, I went to my 'local' Apple dealer (50
> miles away, but that's another story) to print them on a laser printer. 
> The 24 point Times on the SE/30 (boy is it fast!) at the dealer was
> bigger than my 24 point Times, so all my formatting was screwed up.  The
> dealer wasn't sure what was going on.  He did mention the need to use
> 'tall adjusted' when preparing a document for eventual laser printing,
> but he didn't think that explained the difference.
> 
> The printer was a LaserWriter IINTX, and both computers were running
> Word 3.
> 
> So, why was Times not Times?
> 
I had this kind of problem last year. When I was writing a file at home
I used the exactly the same version of LaserWriter driver than at work.
The both machines were Mac II and my System version and fonts were the
same (I installed both systems myself). When I encoutered problems I 
went home and copied Word Setting -file and tried again, but it didn't
help at all.
The only difference I found after one week of searching was that the
versions of MS Word 3 were:
  Home: Version 3.01b
  Work: Version 3.0

Try your own copy of Word when you are printing your files. Hope this
will help you.

> --
> Geoff Allen, WINCO Computer Process Engineering
> {uunet, bigtex}!pmafire!geoff <or> ucdavis!egg-id!pmafire!geoff

----
Ari Vaulo
University of Oulu
Institute of Information Processing Science
Finland

eMail: av@tolsun.oulu.fi

> 
> So, what's the latest price for 1 Meg SIMMS?

Awful high here in Finland.

--AVa