magik@chinet.chi.il.us (Ben Liberman) (08/30/89)
In article <10716@fluke.COM> moriarty@tc.fluke.COM (Jeff Meyer) writes: > >5) The backup program is nothing to write home about -- better than Apple's > program, has incremental abilities, but is basically Redux whittled > down. If you have a good backup program already, I can't see switching to > this -- but if someone with a new Mac has limited backup needs and wants > to get protection and backup abilities all-in-one, this is a nice deal. > I'm currently using Fastback II and am less than thrilled. I guess that getting all of your files in the proper folder on a full restore is good enough on a PC, but on a Mac I'd really like to have the windows and files in the right sizes and places. I understand that SUM II's backup can do a disk image backup so that after a restore everything is where you want it to be. Do any other backup pgms. do this? P.S. I'm quite pleased with other pgms. from 5th Generation but IMHO, Fastback II is better than Fastback I, but I don't think I'd call that a compliment. ;-) -- ------------ ------------ ---------------------- Ben Liberman USENET magik@chinet.chi.il.us GEnie,Delphi MAGIK
sbb@esquire.UUCP (Stephen B. Baumgarten) (08/31/89)
In article <9419@chinet.chi.il.us> magik@chinet.chi.il.us (Ben Liberman) writes: >I'm currently using Fastback II and am less than thrilled. I guess that >getting all of your files in the proper folder on a full restore is good >enough on a PC, but on a Mac I'd really like to have the windows and files >in the right sizes and places. I understand that SUM II's backup can do >a disk image backup so that after a restore everything is where you want it >to be. Do any other backup pgms. do this? Yes, DiskFit for one. The reason FastBack doesn't is that it doesn't backup/restore the desktop file (where all of this info resides). Fifth Generation claims that it doesn't because ``the desktop file belongs to the system and its contents are not documented'' or something to that effect. I don't know what happens if you backup the desktop file under Multifinder, where it's always kept open and is subject to change at the whim of the Finder. I assume that you could get a bad or incomplete copy of it, and that's why FastBack doesn't back it up. >P.S. I'm quite pleased with other pgms. from 5th Generation but IMHO, > Fastback II is better than Fastback I, but I don't think I'd call > that a compliment. ;-) I'm very pleased with it myself and consider this a minor problem. I switched from DiskFit and I've found that my backup times have gone way down. This is mostly because I do one full backup and then lots of differentials, reusing the same set of disks for the differentials. That way my backup set doesn't keep growing and I don't have to keep track of a half-dozen incremental sets. This was the reason I started using DiskFit in the first place. FastBack II works superbly in the background under Multifinder -- I usually do backups while I'm in Versaterm reading netnews or something -- and I like the added flexibility that its macros give me (e.g., I don't back up System, LaserWriter, and other ever-changing system files in my differentials, but I do include them on the full backup). Their technical support is also first-rate. > Ben Liberman USENET magik@chinet.chi.il.us > GEnie,Delphi MAGIK Standard disclaimer: I'm just one of Fifth Generation's satisfied customers. -- Steve Baumgarten | "New York... when civilization falls apart, Davis Polk & Wardwell | remember, we were way ahead of you." cmcl2!esquire!sbb | esquire!sbb@cmcl2.nyu.edu | - David Letterman
lsr@Apple.COM (Larry Rosenstein) (09/01/89)
In article <1382@esquire.UUCP> sbb@esquire.UUCP (Stephen B. Baumgarten) writes: > Yes, DiskFit for one. The reason FastBack doesn't is that it doesn't > backup/restore the desktop file (where all of this info resides). > Fifth Generation claims that it doesn't because ``the desktop file > belongs to the system and its contents are not documented'' or > something to that effect. I don't know what happens if you backup [This was with respect to restoring windows and icons to their original positions.] That's true of MFS volumes, but for HFS volumes all the information about the window position is stored in the catalog. Look at the PBGetCatInfo call and the various Finder info fields. You probably shouldn't try to attach any particular meaning to the fields, but if you save and restore them as a bunch of bits then the windows and icons should reappear in their original positions. Larry Rosenstein, Apple Computer, Inc. Object Specialist Internet: lsr@Apple.com UUCP: {nsc, sun}!apple!lsr AppleLink: Rosenstein1
gergely@.uucp (Peter J Gergely) (09/05/89)
I purchased Fastback II as well on the special upgrade from your
current backup deal. I am rather displeased as well that it will not
restore your desktop file as well. Another feature that got me was
the fact that if your history files get deleted then you are shafted
as far as the program is concerned.
Overall, I find that the program is disappointing and am currently
trying to find a nicer backup program. I currently use HFS Backup
3.0, but it has some problems. I found out from MacWorld Boston that
PCPC is overly concerned with hearing about my problems with the
program and the feeling that I got was they were going to stop support
on the product all together.
I would really appreciate a comparison between HFS Backup 3.0 and
somebody with Redux 1.5. SUM Backup is a trimmed down Redux that
doesn't allow the user any options for individual file deselection.
I personally don't count Fastback II as being a good backup program.
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GENIE: GERGELYAdam.Frix@f200.n226.z1.FIDONET.ORG (Adam Frix) (09/10/89)
Peter Gergely writes:
SUM Backup is a trimmed down Redux that
doesn't allow the user any options for individual file
deselection.
Well, I haven't seen SUM II yet, so I can't speak from first hand
experience about what its backup function looks like. However, the author
of Redux assures me that the SUM II backup, although developed by
Microseeds Development, is NOT a subset of Redux, which is marketed by
Microseeds Publishing, Inc.
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INET: Adam.Frix@f200.n226.z1.FIDONET.ORGhammersslammers1@oxy.edu (David J. Harr) (09/13/89)
Adam Frix says: > >Well, I haven't seen SUM II yet, so I can't speak from first hand >experience about what its backup function looks like. However, the author >of Redux assures me that the SUM II backup, although developed by >Microseeds Development, is NOT a subset of Redux, which is marketed by >Microseeds Publishing, Inc. That's funny. It says on the back of my SUM II manual: SUM BACKUP (based on the popular Redux program from Microseeds publishing} helps you quickly and easily make backup copies of files and applications.
ags@mentor.cc.purdue.edu (Dave Seaman) (09/15/89)
In article <49024@tiger.oxy.edu> hammersslammers1@oxy.edu (David J. Harr) writes: >Adam Frix says: >>of Redux assures me that the SUM II backup, although developed by >>Microseeds Development, is NOT a subset of Redux, which is marketed by ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ >>Microseeds Publishing, Inc. >That's funny. It says on the back of my SUM II manual: >SUM BACKUP (based on the popular Redux program from Microseeds publishing} ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ >helps you quickly and easily make backup copies of files and applications. ------------------------------------------------------------- I don't see any incompatibility between those two statements. What's the problem? -- Dave Seaman ags@seaman.cc.purdue.edu