[comp.sys.mac] Word & equations -- summary

kelvin@cs.utexas.edu (Kelvin Thompson) (10/01/89)

About a week ago I posted a query asking about vertically centering
Expressionist-generated equations (and other PICTs) in Word 4.0.
The problem is that it is a royal pain to vertically move an in-line
PICT via super- and sub-script attributes.  I asked for suggestions.

The most important response I got was:

> From: lindahl@violet.berkeley.edu (Ken Lindahl   642-0866)
>
> WATCH OUT FOR WORD 4.0!!! It has a bug in the way it deals with
> PICTS that can make your life very unpleasant. Here's how it goes: you
> create your equation using Expressionist (DA or application, whichever
> you like), then you paste it into Word. Later you decide to modify it.
> You select the graphic, cut or copy it, and when you try to paste it
> into Expressionist, Expressionist complains about garbled data. It can
> even crash the system.  A newsletter from Prescience (was ABA)
> described this problem. The existence of the bug has been confirmed
> informally by a Microsoft employee, in a conversation with me. The bug
> affects the 128th byte of the PICT data, so only moderately large
> equations will be affected. Nevertheless, this could cause you some
> real problems. I know Microsoft is working on a fix, but I have no idea
> when/what the distribution will be. I think a letter or phone call to
> Microsoft is not out of order here.

Probably the most useful solution I got was:

} From: lindahl@violet.berkeley.edu (Ken Lindahl   642-0866)
} 
} I did my dissertation using Word 3.02 and Expressionist 2.xx. I had the
} same difficulty with adjusting the vertical position of my in-line
} equations.  I don't believe the problem is any better in Word 4.0. For
} the record, what I ultimately arrived at as reasonably workable was to
} put a variety of subscripting commands into the "Format" menu, using
} the Word "customizable menus" feature. I had commands to subscript 1pt,
} 2pts, 3pts, 4pts, 5pts, 6pts, 8pts, 10pts, 12pts, and 16pts. This
} covered all but a few cases and for those, going to the character
} format dialog box wasn't too painful.

[Jim Meiss had the same idea.  He said he'd also tried MacroMaker,
but without much success.]

Some other people said I could use the paragraph-positioning capabilities:

} From: pwp@shamash.cdc.com (Pete Poorman - HOUFAC)
} Just a thought -- you could make the graphic be a pargraph by itself, then
} use Word's ability to force the position of a paragraph on a page to position
} it like you want.
 
} From: jh0576@leah.Albany.EDU (Joe Houghtaling)
} I believe you can just select the graphic and choose the Position command.
} (Yes, you can, I just tried it!)  The centering won't be visible in Galley
} View, but you will see it in Page View.

[I'll give this a try, but I don't like being forced to isolate equations
into paragraphs; even with equations that won't fit inline, I like to
put equation numbers and punctutation after the PICT.]

Another correspondent said I should get out of Word as fast as possible:

| From: Ben Lian <munnari!tasis.utas.oz.au!ben@uunet.UU.NET>
| Organization: Elec Eng & Comp Sci, Uni of Tasmania, Australia
| 
| Stop! Before you get an ulcer.... If your thesis contains anything more
| than Word's formula feature can handle, then DO NOT use word for your
| thesis. Apart from the fact that there is no way to get around the
| brain-damaged way Expressionist and Word talk to one another, there are
| other problems with Word that I think you should know about.
| 
| Last summer (umm, your winter) I too started writing bits and pieces of my
| dissertation with Word 3.01. After I getting a rather significant amount
| in, I began to notice real BUGS. These bugs, though not fatal by any means,
| really stuff up the quality of the printed output (if that matters to you).
| Microsoft has attempted to fix these bugs in 4.0, but have only been
| partially successful. (But the Expressionist problem remains.) I assume
| that you are working in full-justification mode, and fractional widths is
| `on' to presumably take advantage of the LaserWriters resolution.
| 
| (1)  Footnote references embedded in a line cause that line to protrude
|      into the right-hand margin.
| 
| (2)  Text at the right margin is justified very poorly (by any decent
|      standard). And this is for normal run-of -the mill use. The problem
|      is most obvious when a paragraph contains many font changes between
|      say, Times and Symbol. 
| 
| The cause of both of the above is the fact that Word's justification
| algorithm is completely up the creek. I suspect rounding error. In 4.0,
| problem #1 is sort of fixed---embedded footnote references now sometimes
| cause a hole to appear at the right margin! Problem #2 is as bad as ever.
| 
| After a lot of frustration caused by the above (and the formula problem),
| I switched to using TeX. In particular, I use OzTeX, a oublic domain
| version written in Australia. TeX has a steepish sort of learning curve,
| but well worth it in the end. I still use Word, but strictly for 
| non-technical writing.

[Luckily, I'll be using "ragged-right" justification, so the alignment bugs
shouldn't be visible for me.  Also, I'm willing to live with the cut-and-paste
interface.]

Thanks to all who replied.

-- 
-- Kelvin Thompson, Lone Rider of the Apocalypse
   kelvin@cs.utexas.edu  {...,uunet}!cs.utexas.edu!kelvin