[comp.sys.mac] Putting a hard disk inside a Plus - SUMMARY of responses

paryavi@harris.cis.ksu.edu (Saiid Paryavi) (10/02/89)

A while back I posted a request for information about placing a hard disk
inside a Mac Plus to make it portable.  I received many requests for a summary 
of the info.  So, here it is.  By far, the best suggestion was given by Mike: 
	
		"Hack first, ask questions later."

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No, the Mac Plus really shouldn't have a hard drive inside it.  The big problem
is space and (more importantly) cooling.  The convection cooling inside the
Plus is bad enough without adding a hard drive.  If you want an internal hd,
you'd best upgrade to an SE.

eric
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> Does the power supply have enough juice to handle the extra load?

Depends on the power requirements of the disk, and on how much memory
you have in the box.  The power supply is a weak spot in the Plus, 512k,
and 128k machines.  You should check the power-supply cables, jacks, and
pins for signs of overheating or defective solder joints (a common
problem);  you should also check the power-supply voltage after
installing any new equipment, and if necessary adjust it to +5 volts.

> Is there room inside the Plus for a hard drive?  

I believe there's room for a 3.5" half-height drive, if you squeeze it
into the proper place.

> How will the SCSI connection be made?

I believe that the SCSI cable which runs between the logic board and the
external SCSI port can be unplugged from the logic board;  you'd then
plug in a short cable running between the logic board and your internal
drive.  It might be possible to daisy-chain the SCSI so that you could
use both the internal drive and external SCSI peripherals.

> Does one need special brackets?

Yes.

> Is a fan necessary?

It's a VERY good idea.

> Is there a company that might sell an installation kit or something?

Dunno... a quick glance through the back pages of MacWorld didn't turn
up _any_ internal drives for the Plus.

My impression is that putting an internal drive into a Plus is generally
considered to be a Bad Idea, due to the limitations of the power supply,
heat, the nonstandard mounting required, etc.

Several companies make hard-disk accessories for the Plus which mount on
the back of the case... in effect, increasing its depth by a couple of
inches (or less).  These external-but-tightly-coupled drives contain
their own power supply, and plug into the external SCSI port; they
require no modification to the Mac itself.  Jasmine had/has one of these
(the BackPack), and I seem to recall that someone else (Rodime??)  was
marketing one.  Jasmine's versions list for anywhere between $650 (20
megs) and $1300 (100 megs).  This sort of drive might be your best
bet... it would give you "luggability" (no separate case) and would not
overstress your Plus's power supply.


Dave
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I have seen ads for the Jasmine Backpack:  Adds about 1 3/4" to the back of
the Mac, piggy backs on the scsi port, and (I think) also is powered through
teh same power cord as the Mac.

No experience with the Backpack; just saw one of their ads.
   
Mike 
"Hack first, ask questions later."

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LaCie used to sell kits for SE's. Perhaps they also made a MacPlus version?
I think the Plus power supply is NOT powerfull enough, so you need to
add another power supply. The original "HyperDrive" for the MAcplus did
this.

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>Does the power supply have enough juice to handle the extra load?

No, you will have to figure out how to run off of 120V.

>Is there room inside the Plus for a hard drive?  

Yes, but the packaging is not trivial.  You *don't* want any of your
additions to work loose, get too close to the high voltage of the CRT,
etc.

>How will the SCSI connection be made?

You will probably want to securely clamp onto the SCSI chip.  It
leaves fewer marks than the alternatives if you ever need to pull out
the addition before sending the Mac in to be repaired.  Apple repair
people don't like to work on machines which have been modified.  You
want to be able to remove your work without obvious marks.

>Does one need special brackets?

Absolutely, you will be on your own.

>Is a fan necessary?

Another absolutely, the Plus gets hot enough as is.

>Is there a company that might sell an installation kit or something?

General Computer Corporation used to sell the internal HyperDrive, and
Apple even sanctioned it, but they had such trouble that they
abandoned it.  This was early on, before the Macintosh Plus, when
disks were low capacity and delicate--I mean worse than now--but they
did give up.  They even changed their name to GCC.

>I'd like to hear your thoughts on this matter.  If there is any
>interest, I will summarize and post the responses to the net.

Open up your Macintosh Plus and look around.  Figure out how you will
mount the drive, and whether it will stay there.  Figure out what
power supply you can find which will fit, and where you will put it.
Figure out how you are going to tap onto the SCSI bus.  Figure out
where and what fan you will use.

If you are up to solving these problems, go for it.  If they seem like
too much or you are not sure about the problems are about, don't do
it.

Would I consider putting an extra 3-1/2 drive into my Plus?  Yes.
Have I actually done anything other than consider it?  No.

Are there better ways?  Well, maybe you want an SE?  Apple already
solved the problems you will face.  Or, seeing as how a Plus doesn't
travel very well without a carrying case, and most carrying cases will
also hold an external disk, it might do as well.  Besides, external
drives are more flexible than internal drives anyway.
   
Kent
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I'm not sure if a internal 3 1/2" drive will work in your Mac+.  Fitting
it in may not be a problem but connecting through the SCSI port may be!
The only suggestion I have is looking into the Jasmine BackPac Hard
Drive.  The drive is available in 20MB to 100MB and attaches to the back
of the mac.  You only have one power cord since the drive itself plugs
into the mac's power inlet and it also has a SCSI port on the drive so
you can add other devices.  The drive will add about an inch or so to the
depth of the mac but it seems to be a good idea in making the mac portable.
One word of caution, I've been reading the network a lot about what drives
are good and bad and Jasmine has it's share of problems.  Maybe if someone
who is using a BackPac can respond and tell us if the unit is reliable or
not.  Anyways, I hope this suggestion is helpful.

John
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