[comp.sys.mac] Font Problem Mystery!

rock%warp@Sun.COM (Bill Petro) (09/28/89)

I have had this problem for several months and can't figure it out.  Not
only that, those whom I consider more knowledgeable than me in matters
Macintosh can't figure it out either.

In a few of my applications, I have what appears to be a font scaling
problem.  It looks just like a Chicago font, scaled to be 9 point, although
there is only a 12 point Chicago to my knowledge.  I do of course have a 9
point Geneva.  Should these applications be calling a Geneva font instead
of Chicago?

In the following file (first run through BinHex and then StuffIt) are
three screenshots in PICT format of the problem: HyperCard, DiskFit,
and SuperClock.  Also, there is a list of my installed fonts.
Following that is _Rap Sheet_, a display of all my installed INITs,
DAs, and system configuration.

If you can help me solve this mystery, I would be most appreciative.

Bill Petro

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     Bill Petro  {decwrl,hplabs,ucbvax}!sun!Eng!rock
"UNIX for the sake of the kingdom of heaven"  Matthew 19:12

rock%warp@Sun.COM (Bill Petro) (09/29/89)

rock%warp@Sun.COM (Bill Petro) writes:


>I have had this problem for several months and can't figure it out.  Not
>only that, those whom I consider more knowledgeable than me in matters
>Macintosh can't figure it out either.

>In a few of my applications, I have what appears to be a font scaling
>problem.  It looks just like a Chicago font, scaled to be 9 point, although
>there is only a 12 point Chicago to my knowledge.  I do of course have a 9
>point Geneva.  Should these applications be calling a Geneva font instead
>of Chicago?

And the winner is David A. Keldsen from Oregon who correctly answered:

	Sounds like your application font is set wrong.  The
	application font setting is stored in your parameter RAM, so it
	will persist until you reset it in pRAM.  In an older Mac,
	unplug it and remove the battery from the battery compartment
	for 30 seconds or so.

And he was right!  I shut the thing down, popped out the battery and 
voila, a months-old mystery was solved!


     Bill Petro  {decwrl,hplabs,ucbvax}!sun!Eng!rock
"UNIX for the sake of the kingdom of heaven"  Matthew 19:12

a379@mindlink.UUCP (Gordon Mulcaster) (09/29/89)

> Bill Petro writes
> 
> In a few of my applications, I have what appears to be a font scaling
> problem.  It looks just like a Chicago font, scaled to be 9 point, although
> there is only a 12 point Chicago to my knowledge.  I do of course have a 9
> point Geneva.  Should these applications be calling a Geneva font instead of
> Chicago?

No, the Mac is working correctly. The Mac should NEVER change fonts without you
telling it to. If you don't have a screen font of the right size (i.e. 9 point
Chicago), the Mac will make one, by scaling whatever font size you have (it
will use the "best" size available--i.e. it will turn 12 point chicago into 24
point chicago by quadrupling the size of each dot, even if say 18 point chicago
is also available).

ttul
gm

dave@PRC.Unisys.COM (David Lee Matuszek) (10/04/89)

> Bill Petro writes
> 
> In a few of my applications, I have what appears to be a font scaling
> problem.  It looks just like a Chicago font, scaled to be 9 point, although
> there is only a 12 point Chicago to my knowledge.  I do of course have a 9
> point Geneva.  Should these applications be calling a Geneva font instead of
> Chicago?

Yeah, this happens a lot.  The Mac has gotten confused about which
font is which.  There are a couple possible reasons.  If you don't
collect fonts, probably (1) applies; if you do, probably (2) applies.

(1)  The application is using a font you don't have, so the Mac is
doing a substitution for you.  If this is the case, the missing font
is likely to be Times, or some common laser font; get the (bitmap)
font and install it.  (Normally the Mac is supposed to use Geneva if
the font is missing--I'm not convinced it always does.)

(2) Fonts have both names and numbers, and Apple waffled about which
programs should use internally, before finally settling on names.  A
lot of software uses font numbers, of which there were (originally)
only a limited number to choose from.  If you use Font/DA Mover to
install a font that has the same number as an existing font, it will
cheerfully renumber one of the fonts for you; to keep everything nice
and user-friendly, it won't confuse you by mentioning the fact.
<Expletive deleted.>  So software that depends on the font number will
get the wrong font.

The solution to this problem is more complex.  First, get a copy of
the original numbers for your fonts (a fairly complete list is in The
Macintosh Bible), then renumber your fonts to what they should be,
resolving conflict manually as best you can.  ResEdit works for this
(I don't remember the process well enough to give directions).
Fontastic+ is what I mostly use.

(A simpler solution:  get a new copy of the System, and don't add any
fonts to it ever again.)

If the font you get really is Chicago, and not one of the Chicago
lookalikes, something else may be going wrong.  There are home-grown
versions of Chicago in other point sizes, but I wouldn't expect
applications to depend on your having them.

Good luck.  If your problem isn't one of the above, please let me know
when you find the solution, as I'll probably have the same problem
myself, somewhere down the road....


-- Dave Matuszek (dave@prc.unisys.com)
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