spencer@heinlein.osc.edu (Stephen N. Spencer) (10/15/89)
I have a question concerning RR 10.3 and the startup screen. In the Red Ryder manual on page 64 it talks of the option in the "Personal Preferences..." dialog which lets the user turn off the startup screen's loading when starting RR up. When I call up that dialog, however, that checkbox and option are dimmed -- I can't get to the checkbox to mark it. Why can't I do this? Yes, I bought RR 10.3, it's not a pirate copy. No offense to Scott Watson, RR is a GREAT program. It just isn't as functional as his documentation would lead one to believe. -=- Stephen N. Spencer |"For a successful technology, reality must take ACCAD, 1224 Kinnear Rd. | precedence over public relations, for Nature Columbus OH 43212 | cannot be fooled." - Richard P. Feynman spencer@heinlein.cgrg.ohio-state.edu OR spencer@cis.ohio-state.edu
phaedrus@blake.acs.washington.edu (the Wanderer) (10/15/89)
In article <350@oscsuna.osc.edu> spencer@heinlein.osc.edu (Stephen N. Spencer) writes: >I have a question concerning RR 10.3 and the startup screen. In the Red Ryder >manual on page 64 it talks of the option in the "Personal Preferences..." >dialog which lets the user turn off the startup screen's loading when starting >RR up. When I call up that dialog, however, that checkbox and option are >dimmed -- I can't get to the checkbox to mark it. > >Why can't I do this? Yes, I bought RR 10.3, it's not a pirate copy. > >No offense to Scott Watson, RR is a GREAT program. It just isn't as functional >as his documentation would lead one to believe. > > >-=- >Stephen N. Spencer |"For a successful technology, reality must take >ACCAD, 1224 Kinnear Rd. | precedence over public relations, for Nature >Columbus OH 43212 | cannot be fooled." - Richard P. Feynman >spencer@heinlein.cgrg.ohio-state.edu OR spencer@cis.ohio-state.edu I can vouch for the fact that it's not in the manual... I went over it with a dissecting microscope while I was trying to figure out the same problem. :) But the manual does give a hint (holding down Option while selecting "Personal Preferences..."), and I figured out the rest through trial and error. To turn off the title screen, hold down All The Modifier Keys There Are (Command, Option, Shift, Caps Lock; I use a Mac+ that doesn't have Control) and select Personal Preferences... (Fewer modifier keys would probably work, but I've never bothered to figure out which ones it is--after all, this is something you only do once...) This should enable the "Enable title screen on program startup" option, so you can turn it off. And yes, RR10.3 is a great program (yes, I'm registered too... :) ). Now, if Scott would just bring back the simple way of setting serial port settings, instead of the Dialog Box from Hell... -- Internet: phaedrus@blake.acs.washington.edu (Univ. of Washington, Seattle) The views expressed here are not those of this station or its management. "If you can keep your head while those about you are losing theirs, consider an exciting career as a guillotine operator!"
chuq@Apple.COM (Chuq Von Rospach) (10/16/89)
>I have a question concerning RR 10.3 and the startup screen. In the Red Ryder >manual on page 64 it talks of the option in the "Personal Preferences..." >dialog which lets the user turn off the startup screen's loading when starting >RR up. When I call up that dialog, however, that checkbox and option are >dimmed -- I can't get to the checkbox to mark it. >Why can't I do this? Yes, I bought RR 10.3, it's not a pirate copy. Look on page 139 of the manual. You have to enable the option before you can access it -- I think it was Scott's subtle form of copy protection -- you can't turn off the banner screen without the manual (and without memorizing the thing -- it's hard to find). This is why I'm saying 'where' and not 'how' to fix it... -- Chuq Von Rospach <+> Editor,OtherRealms <+> Member SFWA/ASFA chuq@apple.com <+> CI$: 73317,635 <+> [This is myself speaking] Anyone who thinks that the argument over {sci,rec}.fishies is about group names doesn't understand the system.
meuchen@grad2.cis.upenn.edu (Paul Eric Menchen) (10/16/89)
I avoid the startup screen on Red Ryder 10.3 simply by double clicking
on Red's 10.3 Stuff instead of Red Ryder. It works for me.
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/__________________bannon@andromeda.rutgers.edu.rutgers.edu (Ronald Bannon) (10/16/89)
In article <15538@netnews.upenn.edu> meuchen@grad2.cis.upenn.edu.UUCP (Paul Eric Menchen) writes: >I avoid the startup screen on Red Ryder 10.3 simply by double clicking >on Red's 10.3 Stuff instead of Red Ryder. It works for me. Press Command-Shift before selecting the "Personal Preferences" from the Customize menu. You will now be able to remove the startup screen. Ron Bannon bannon@andromeda.rutgers.edu :::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: Is George Bush a traitor? Read "October Surprise" by Honegger. Send for details. ::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::
dpaight@HP-UX.ucsd.edu (Dan Paight) (10/16/89)
In article <350@oscsuna.osc.edu> spencer@heinlein.osc.edu (Stephen N. Spencer) writes: >I have a question concerning RR 10.3 and the startup screen. In the Red Ryder >manual on page 64 it talks of the option in the "Personal Preferences..." >dialog which lets the user turn off the startup screen's loading when starting >RR up. When I call up that dialog, however, that checkbox and option are >dimmed -- I can't get to the checkbox to mark it. > I, too, have experienced this annoying inconsistency between manual and program in RR. One non-elegant way to get around it is to invoke the program by double-clicking on any RR file except RR itself (a proceedure file, Reds Stuff, Phone Books, etc.). dp
Adam.Frix@f200.n226.z1.FIDONET.ORG (Adam Frix) (10/16/89)
Stephen N. Spencer writes: > I have a question concerning RR 10.3 and the startup screen. In the > Red Ryder manual on page 64 it talks of the option in the "Personal > Preferences..." dialog which lets the user turn off the startup > screen's loading when starting RR up. When I call up that dialog, > however, that checkbox and option are dimmed -- I can't get to the > checkbox to mark it. It's necessary for you to hold down the shift key as you choose the Personal Preferences menu choice. (Actually, hold it down before you select the menu.) This enables that startup screen check box. As an aside, here's what he says about how it's done in the new release, White Knight 11.0: >>* It is no longer necessary to hold down the Shift key while<< >>choosing White Knight Options to turn off the option "Display<< >>title screen at startup" (blush).<< I think the "(blush)" says it all. :-) (From the New Features announcement about the released-but-not-yet-shipping-until-the- beginning-of-November White Knight 11.0, the successor to Red Ryder. I'm sure Norm Goodger will follow here sometime real soon with the whole announcement/new features text.) --Adam- -- Adam Frix via cmhGate - Net 226 fido<=>uucp gateway Col, OH UUCP: ...!osu-cis!n8emr!cmhgate!200!Adam.Frix INET: Adam.Frix@f200.n226.z1.FIDONET.ORG
Adam.Frix@f200.n226.z1.FIDONET.ORG (Adam Frix) (10/16/89)
the Wanderer sez: >>Now, if Scott would just bring back the simple way of setting >>serial port settings, instead of the Dialog Box from Hell... You obviously mean, the simple, intuitive way it was done in 9.4. No, I'm afraid the dialog box from hell remains (although a bit tamed). Scott said, somewhere in the docs for Red 10.3, maybe it was in the ReadMe file, that while some users (the bright ones :-)) thought the way he did it in 9.4 was elegant and intuitive, others thought it was ugly and non- intuitive. So he went with the dialog box, and also provided the PUTPARAM methods to install so that serial port settings could be changed from the keyboard. Now the "ugly" group is pleased, but us "elegant" thinkers are saying "UGLY!" (but are satisfied with the keyboard methods). In other words, you can't please everybody. At least he didn't say, "THEN I WON'T TRY!" like so many Microsoft programmers seem to say..... --Adam-- -- Adam Frix via cmhGate - Net 226 fido<=>uucp gateway Col, OH UUCP: ...!osu-cis!n8emr!cmhgate!200!Adam.Frix INET: Adam.Frix@f200.n226.z1.FIDONET.ORG
ngg@bridge2.ESD.3Com.COM (Norman Goodger) (10/17/89)
In article <350@oscsuna.osc.edu> spencer@heinlein.osc.edu (Stephen N. Spencer) writes: >I have a question concerning RR 10.3 and the startup screen. In the Red Ryder >manual on page 64 it talks of the option in the "Personal Preferences..." >dialog which lets the user turn off the startup screen's loading when starting >RR up. When I call up that dialog, however, that checkbox and option are >dimmed -- I can't get to the checkbox to mark it. >Why can't I do this? Yes, I bought RR 10.3, it's not a pirate copy. >No offense to Scott Watson, RR is a GREAT program. It just isn't as functional >as his documentation would lead one to believe. This was a documentation oversite. The startupscreen can be disabled by pressing the shift-key while selecting personal preferences from the Customize Menu. Version 11 that was just announced eliminates this oversite by removing the need to use the shift key to enable that item. So you will be able to remove the startup screen easily if you upgrade to version 11. If you have other questions, I'll see what I can do here. Though I am on GEnie in the Freesoft RT more than here. Though I try to read and keep up here, sometimes its difficult.. .... >Stephen N. Spencer |"For a successful technology, reality must take >ACCAD, 1224 Kinnear Rd. | precedence over public relations, for Nature >Columbus OH 43212 | cannot be fooled." - Richard P. Feynman >spencer@heinlein.cgrg.ohio-state.edu OR spencer@cis.ohio-state.edu -- Norm Goodger SysOp - MacInfo BBS @415-795-8862 3Com Corp. Co-SysOp FreeSoft RT - GEnie. Enterprise Systems Division (I disclaim anything and everything) UUCP: {3comvax,auspex,sun}!bridge2!ngg Internet: ngg@bridge2.ESD.3Com.COM
Adam.Frix@f200.n226.z1.FIDONET.ORG (Adam Frix) (10/17/89)
Yes, you can double-click on Red's 10.3 Stuff to avoid the startup screen. You can also hold down the shift key as you pull down the Customize menu and choose Personal Preferences. This undims the 'startup screen' option so that it can be checked and unchecked. --Adam-- -- Adam Frix via cmhGate - Net 226 fido<=>uucp gateway Col, OH UUCP: ...!osu-cis!n8emr!cmhgate!200!Adam.Frix INET: Adam.Frix@f200.n226.z1.FIDONET.ORG
Jim.Dynes@f2811.n206.z1.FIDONET.ORG (Jim Dynes) (10/18/89)
SNS> I have a question concerning RR 10.3 and the startup screen. In the SNS> Red Ryder manual on page 64 it talks of the option in the "Personal SNS> Preferences..." dialog which lets the user turn off the startup SNS> screen's loading when starting RR up. When I call up that dialog, SNS> however, that checkbox and option are dimmed -- I can't get to the SNS> checkbox to mark it. Why can't I do this? Yes, I bought RR 10.3, SNS> it's not a pirate copy. No offense to Scott Watson, RR is a GREAT SNS> program. It just isn't as functional as his documentation would lead SNS> one to believe. SNS> I believe that you have to depress the option key to enable that item. -- Jim Dynes via cmhGate - Net 226 fido<=>uucp gateway Col, OH UUCP: ...!osu-cis!n8emr!cmhgate!206!2811!Jim.Dynes INET: Jim.Dynes@f2811.n206.z1.FIDONET.ORG
allbery@NCoast.ORG (Brandon S. Allbery) (10/19/89)
As quoted from <2008@network.ucsd.edu> by dpaight@HP-UX.ucsd.edu (Dan Paight): +--------------- | In article <350@oscsuna.osc.edu> spencer@heinlein.osc.edu (Stephen N. Spencer) writes: | >I have a question concerning RR 10.3 and the startup screen. In the Red Ryder | >manual on page 64 it talks of the option in the "Personal Preferences..." | >dialog which lets the user turn off the startup screen's loading when starting | >RR up. When I call up that dialog, however, that checkbox and option are | >dimmed -- I can't get to the checkbox to mark it. | | I, too, have experienced this annoying inconsistency between manual | and program in RR. One non-elegant way to get around it is to | invoke the program by double-clicking on any RR file except RR | itself (a proceedure file, Reds Stuff, Phone Books, etc.). +--------------- PUTPARAM 65, 1 (says another part of the manual) I agree, though; it's a bit annoying to have the checkbox and not be able to do anything with it. ++Brandon -- Brandon S. Allbery, moderator of comp.sources.misc allbery@NCoast.ORG uunet!hal.cwru.edu!ncoast!allbery ncoast!allbery@hal.cwru.edu bsa@telotech.uucp 161-7070 (MCI), ALLBERY (Delphi), B.ALLBERY (GEnie), comp-sources-misc@backbone [comp.sources.misc-related mail should go ONLY to comp-sources-misc@<backbone>] *Third party vote-collection service: send mail to allbery@uunet.uu.net (ONLY)*
Craig.Kerwien@f347.n107.z1.FIDONET.ORG (Craig Kerwien) (10/22/89)
Just before you open that dialog, hold down the option key: Volia! The
check mark box becomes selectable. This little bugger will go away with
White Knight.
Craig.
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