lac@ecs.soton.ac.uk (Les Carr) (11/17/89)
hooray, ATM is available in the UK! (pity the Plus Pack isn't. sigh.) now, i have been keeping very careful watch on the mac newsgroups since the first announcement of ATM, carefully discerning what ATM claims to do and with what performance penalties (and whose fault it is when it doesn't do it), but no-one implied that i wouldn't be able to run Illustrator88 on a vanilla MacPlus under the finder (no superfluous INITs/CDEVs). When I run it with ATM switched on I get the "not enough memory" message from Illustrator (v1.5). erk! Any ideas? Yes, I have RTFM. On a related topic, should I be surprised that Illustrator doesn't benefit from ATM, even in Preview mode? Thanks in advance. -- L.Carr@ecs.soton.ac.uk Les Carr Tel: +44 703 593649 Dept of Electronics and Computer Science Fax: +44 703 593939 University of Southampton Telex: 47661 SOTONU G Southampton SO9 5NH England
isle@eleazar.dartmouth.edu (Ken Hancock) (11/18/89)
In article <1638@ecs.soton.ac.uk> lac@ecs.soton.ac.uk (Les Carr) writes: >On a related topic, should I be surprised that Illustrator doesn't >benefit from ATM, even in Preview mode? > >Thanks in advance. Illustrator 88 1.9.3 should have been sent to all registered users. 1.9 makes Ill 88 compatible with ATM. On a personal note, though, I wouldn't advise upgrading. What Adobe has done is slow down Illustrator to the point where it's unusable. Try typing some text. Next click on the enlargement tool. Enlarge the text. Illustrator asks ATM to generate a new sized bitmap constantly. The result? You can't smoothly enlarge anything with text. ATM causes Illustrator to jump from one size to the next. What would my solution be? I have a few: 1) Use QuickDraw to do the scaling when you're in the process of enlarging. Once you've released the mouse, have ATM kick in and give you a nice view. 2) Only have ATM active in preview mode (not as good as #1 in my opinion). 3) Bag ATM compatability. (Less preferable than #1 or #2 but better than the current implementation in 1.9) Any other comments/solutions? I've sent mine to Adobe... Ken -- Ken Hancock '90 | DISCLAIMER: I'm graduating and looking for Consultant | a job, so I'll stand by my words. Computer Resource Center |============================================== Dartmouth College | EMAIL: isle@eleazar.dartmouth.edu
frank@mnetor.UUCP (Frank Kolnick) (11/19/89)
In article <1638@ecs.soton.ac.uk> lac@ecs.soton.ac.uk (Les Carr) writes: >hooray, ATM is available in the UK! (pity the Plus Pack isn't. sigh.) >now, i have been keeping very careful watch on the mac newsgroups >since the first announcement of ATM, carefully discerning what ATM >claims to do and with what performance penalties (and whose fault it >is when it doesn't do it), but no-one implied that i wouldn't be able >to run Illustrator88 on a vanilla MacPlus under the finder (no superfluous >INITs/CDEVs). When I run it with ATM switched on I get the "not enough >memory" message from Illustrator (v1.5). erk! Any ideas? Yes, I have RTFM. I couldn't run Illustrator88 on my 1MB SE, which is why I now have a 2.5MB SE. At the time, I had a medium-complexity diagram that had to go out in a week, and it just wouldn't open. Smaller ones would, so I assume you've been treading close to the line for a while and ATM pushed you over the edge. >On a related topic, should I be surprised that Illustrator doesn't >benefit from ATM, even in Preview mode? You need the latest version -- 1.9, I believe. -- Frank Kolnick, consulting for, and therefore expressing opinions independent of, Computer X UUCP: {allegra, linus}!utzoo!mnetor!frank
bezanson@adobe.COM (Brian Bezanson) (11/21/89)
In article <1638@ecs.soton.ac.uk> lac@ecs.soton.ac.uk (Les Carr) writes: >...but no-one implied that i wouldn't be able >to run Illustrator88 on a vanilla MacPlus under the finder (no superfluous >INITs/CDEVs). The ATM documentation mentions that Illustrator will require greater than 1 megabyte of RAM to run. Since Illustrator needs over 700K to run in the first place, and a stripped System needs another 170K or more, and then we add the 192K minimum needed for ATM - we've run out. >memory" message from Illustrator (v1.5). erk! Any ideas? Yes, I have RTFM. ^^^^ Version 1.8.3 was shipped to all users last spring, and version 1.9.3 was sent to all registered users this past month. You may want to contact Adobe UK or Amsterdam about the update. >On a related topic, should I be surprised that Illustrator doesn't >benefit from ATM, even in Preview mode? You'll need 1.9.3. -- Brian Bezanson bezanson@adobe.com Adobe Systems Incorporated The opinions expressed above are my own and may not represent those of Adobe.