AGRAWAL@rcgl1.eng.ohio-state.edu (Rajiv Agrawal) (11/28/89)
Hi,
Judging from the number of responses (precisely zero) on Fullwrite bugs, am
I to assume that nobody is using Fullwrite? In fact, the bugs are not there
when I run the program under UniFinder. I like MS Word 4, but I still don't
think it is adequate for thesis writing. Any comments? Is Ashton-Tate ever
going to upgrade Fullwrite (or are they waiting for System 7.0?) ?
Rajiv.
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Being an Indian, I prefer to work 8-5 Indian Standard Time.jim@calvin.EE.CORNELL.EDU (Jim Providakes) (11/28/89)
In article <3612@quanta.eng.ohio-state.edu> AGRAWAL@rcgl1.eng.ohio-state.edu (Rajiv Agrawal) writes: >Hi, > Judging from the number of responses (precisely zero) on Fullwrite bugs, am >I to assume that nobody is using Fullwrite? In fact, the bugs are not there >when I run the program under UniFinder. I like MS Word 4, but I still don't >think it is adequate for thesis writing. Any comments? Is Ashton-Tate ever >going to upgrade Fullwrite (or are they waiting for System 7.0?) ? > >Rajiv. > I have been using FullWrite V1.1 for about 6 months in writing my thesis. I don't believe FullWrite is dead. I spoke to the FullWrite support folks and the woman told me that they are currently working on V2.0. In fact there was a feature dealing with citations that I thought would be very useful to implement in FullWrite and she told me to write up my suggestion and send it in to them. I have used both Word 4.0 and WordPerfect 1.0.2 (yes I do own them) and decided to use FullWrite. I would have probably stayed with WordPerfect except that it is still too buggy (the screen updates are still strange, and there are the program still crashes sometimes). My main reason for using FullWrite was its ability to easily slide graphics (ie, equations) up or down on a line using simple key strokes (command-shift + or -). If V2.0 of FullWrite improves the implementation for citations then I think it will be a real nice word processing program for people who write technical document (lots of equations). One of the biggest pains is when you insert or delete an equation (or figure, or table), you have to scan through the document and change all of the reference numbers. Programs like TeX or LaTeX have wonderful methods of keeping track of citations in a document. The other word processing programs (e.g. Word and WordPerfect) don't seem to address this problem. If only I can get EndNote to port their bibliography program over to FullWrite and then I would really have it made.
man@brunix (Mark H. Nodine) (11/29/89)
In article <2390@calvin.EE.CORNELL.EDU> jim@calvin.spp.cornell.edu.UUCP (PUT YOUR NAME HERE) writes: >One of the biggest pains is when you insert or >delete an equation (or figure, or table), you have to scan through the >document and change all of the reference numbers. Programs like TeX or LaTeX >have wonderful methods of keeping track of citations in a document. The >other word processing programs (e.g. Word and WordPerfect) don't seem to >address this problem. > >If only I can get EndNote to port their bibliography program over to FullWrite >and then I would really have it made. There is a ShareWare program for Word 3/4 which addresses the equation (figure, etc.) numbering problem as well as doing bibliographies. It is called WordRef and is available for anonymous ftp from sumex (filed as /info-mac/app/wordref-12.hqx). There is some chance it might be made to work with FullWrite. --Mark
puklich@sparky.UUCP (Blayne Puklich) (11/29/89)
In article <3612@quanta.eng.ohio-state.edu> AGRAWAL@rcgl1.eng.ohio-state.edu (Rajiv Agrawal) writes: >Hi, > Judging from the number of responses (precisely zero) on Fullwrite bugs, am >I to assume that nobody is using Fullwrite? In fact, the bugs are not there >when I run the program under UniFinder. I like MS Word 4, but I still don't >think it is adequate for thesis writing. Any comments? Is Ashton-Tate ever >going to upgrade Fullwrite (or are they waiting for System 7.0?) ? I recieved an upgrade (bug fix) to FullWrite 1.1 about a month ago if I remember right. It also included new features (which kinda bends the version numbering rules) such as multiple dictionaries and some others. However, now I find that with my current setup I encounter even more bugs. One that especially bothers me is the spell checking, which doesn't suprise me considering they did some hacking on that. Has anyone else encountered this problem? How about any others? I do use MultiFinder with FullWrite. I too plan to use FullWrite for writing my thesis. I think it should handle the task very well, considering the capabilities it has. I'm not familiar with Word, so I can't judge it at this point. ||+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++|| || Blayne Puklich nopuklic@Plains.NoDak.EDU "I think I'm going || || NDSU Student ACM nopuklic@ndsuvax.BITNET bald..." || || Vice-Chairperson NU087763@NDSUVM1.BITNET -- Rush, from Caress || || North Dakota State University, Fargo, ND of Steel, 1975 || || (701) 237-4408 || || "Corvettes are the best thing man has ever invented." || ||-------------------------------------------------------------------------||
@read.columbia.edum) (f) (11/29/89)
Looking at the past history of Ann Arbor Software would lead one to conclude that Fullwrite may be gasping. Remember Fullpaint? It could still be leading paint program available... IF they had upgraded it, which they DIDNT. What a waste! In the absence of hard data to the contrary, I would assume that Fullwrite WONT be updated. -steve
carter@portia.Stanford.EDU (Thomas J. Carter) (11/29/89)
Does anyone have ANY idea when Fullwrite v2.0 will show its face? Are we looking at 6 months or more than a year? If someone knows anything factual, please post it. If it's just a rumor then it's probably better to send me mail. Thanks again for all answers. Tom Carter carter@portia.stanford.edu
kitchel@iuvax.cs.indiana.edu (Sid Kitchel) (11/30/89)
carter@portia.Stanford.EDU (Thomas J. Carter) writes: >Does anyone have ANY idea when Fullwrite v2.0 will show its face? >Are we looking at 6 months or more than a year? If someone knows >anything factual, please post it. If it's just a rumor then it's >probably better to send me mail. I recently saw a presentation by Ashton-Tate's sales force. We were told to expect FWP 2.0 in the coming Spring. Luckily, FWP has never been late for a delivery -- so we can COUNT on this prediction!! --Sid -- Sid Kitchel...........WARNING: allergic to smileys and hearts....... Computer Science Department kitchel@iuvax.cs.indiana.edu Indiana University skitchel@gold.bacs.indiana.edu Bloomington, Indiana 47405-4101...............skitchel@iubacs.BITNET
kessler@applelink.apple.com (Todd Kessler) (11/30/89)
Since there seems to be some FullWrite users watching... I bought FW1.0 when it came out and upgraded to 1.1. I then found a bug that the people at Ashton-Tate confirmed that I simply could not live with. I'm wondering if anyone else out there ran into it as well. It's called "Creeping Sidebars" in Ashton-Tate lingo. In other words, for EVERY mouse click or EVERY key stroke, certain "infected" sidebars will actually MOVE (yes, by themselves) ONE pixel down the page. After long periods of typing I actually had sidebars sitting at the bottom of my pages, when they were originally placed in the middle!! Ashton-Tate's solution/suggestion: COPY and PASTE your creeping sidebars back to there original positions before printing...What...WHAT!!!! You go through 50 pages and find creeping sidebars, I'm switching to Word... Anyway, just curious if anyone else has seen this and found a more suitable fix. As always, these are only my opinions... Todd These are my own opinions and do not represent those of my employer.
hallett@positron.uucp (Jeff Hallett x5163 ) (11/30/89)
In article <3612@quanta.eng.ohio-state.edu> AGRAWAL@rcgl1.eng.ohio-state.edu (Rajiv Agrawal) writes: >Hi, > Judging from the number of responses (precisely zero) on Fullwrite bugs, am >I to assume that nobody is using Fullwrite? In fact, the bugs are not there >when I run the program under UniFinder. I like MS Word 4, but I still don't >think it is adequate for thesis writing. Any comments? Is Ashton-Tate ever >going to upgrade Fullwrite (or are they waiting for System 7.0?) ? I use FullWrite (on a MacII*, otherwise it is a pig - not unusable, but annoying at times). I used it to write my thesis and didn't have any problems; just one crash occurred. Basically, I like FullWrite. I wish it had a table environment like Word 4.0 rather than a drawing environment, but hey, that's ok. I like its bibliography system and classifications. There really isn't much that it doesn't do that I want except for a few things: 1. I want the ability to create one long document out of several shorter ones. The TOC, indices, biblographies, classifications, etc must bridge the various pieces. 2. The bibliography system should be compatible with EndNote and I should be able to "feed" the bibliographic listing from a given database. Once the entries are there, I can refer to them and have them show up. I would very much like to see FullWrite grow and live. It has potential and I haven't experienced the font problems (read "ATM incompatibility") that I have with Word 4.0. I have both and use them for different writing tasks - I must say that FullWrite is my technical writing environment of choice, but I use Word for all my short-to-medium writing tasks and reserve MacWrite for my quickie stuff. So, I'm a software hog... shoot me. :^) -- Jeffrey A. Hallett, PET Software Engineering GE Medical Systems, W641, PO Box 414, Milwaukee, WI 53201 (414) 548-5163 : EMAIL - hallett@gemed.ge.com Est natura hominum novitatis avida
mystone@mondo.engin.umich.edu (Dean Yu) (11/30/89)
In article <5488@internal.Apple.COM> kessler@applelink.apple.com (Todd Kessler) writes: >Since there seems to be some FullWrite users watching... > >I bought FW1.0 when it came out and upgraded to 1.1. I then found a bug >that the people at Ashton-Tate confirmed that I simply could not live >with. I'm wondering if anyone else out there ran into it as well. > >It's called "Creeping Sidebars" in Ashton-Tate lingo. In other words, for >EVERY mouse click or EVERY key stroke, certain "infected" sidebars will >actually MOVE (yes, by themselves) ONE pixel down the page. After long >periods of typing I actually had sidebars sitting at the bottom of my >pages, when they were originally placed in the middle!! Ashton-Tate's >solution/suggestion: COPY and PASTE your creeping sidebars back to there >original positions before printing...What...WHAT!!!! You go through 50 >pages and find creeping sidebars, I'm switching to Word... > >Anyway, just curious if anyone else has seen this and found a more >suitable fix. > I too have run into this problem. The sidebars in question are always the first thing on a page. My fix was to put a blank line before each of the sidebars in question, but if they float with the text, and the text moves up or down, the formatting can get really messy. :/ _______________________________________________________________________________ Dean Yu | E-mail: mystone@caen.engin.umich.edu Self-declared License Czar | Real-mail: Dean Yu University of Michigan | 909 Church St Computer Aided Engineering Network | Apt C INCLUDE 'Disclaimers.a' | Ann Arbor, MI 48104 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------
vita@daredevil.crd.ge.com (Mark F Vita) (12/01/89)
In article <2390@calvin.EE.CORNELL.EDU> jim@calvin.spp.cornell.edu.UUCP (PUT YOUR NAME HERE) writes: ... >V2.0 of FullWrite improves the implementation for citations then I think it >will be a real nice word processing program for people who write technical >document (lots of equations). One of the biggest pains is when you insert or >delete an equation (or figure, or table), you have to scan through the >document and change all of the reference numbers. Huh? I thought this was the whole idea of the Classify/Insert Citation mechanism (as documented on pgs. 5-21 to 5-27 of the reference manual); i.e. allow you to refer to things, and have the program dynamically change the appropriate numbers. I certainly have had good luck doing this with figures. Mark Vita vita@crd.ge.com General Electric CRD ..!uunet!crd.ge.com!vita Schenectady, NY
cy@dbase.UUCP (Cy Shuster) (12/01/89)
FullWrite dead? Heck, no! I'm trying to get an official response for you (we don't discuss unannounced products, blah, blah, blah...). --Cy-- P. S. I haven't seen the bug postings you referred to. Post away!
chuq@Apple.COM (Chuq Von Rospach) (12/03/89)
@read.columbia.edum) (f) writes: >Looking at the past history of Ann Arbor Software would lead one to >conclude that Fullwrite may be gasping. Except, of course, that Ann Arbor hasn't existed since before FullWrite initially shipped. FullWrite is an Ashton-Tate product. -- Chuq Von Rospach <+> chuq@apple.com <+> [This is myself speaking] When it comes to matters ourside your specialties, you are consistently and brilliantly stupid [....] with respect to matters you haven't studied and have had no experience basing your opinions on casual gossip [....] and plain misinformation -- unsuspected because you haven't attempted to verify it. -- Robert Heinlein to J.W. Campbell, Jr. 1941
AGRAWAL@rcgl1.eng.ohio-state.edu (Rajiv Agrawal) (12/04/89)
Hi,
Being the instigator of the current Fullwrite discussion, I think I should
post some kind of summary of the reponses I have been getting. This time (as
someone pointed out) due to inflammatory reasons, I received a large (read
around 10) responses. Nobody so far has been able to duplicate the system
bombs (id=10). I have tried removing all the inits and Public domain stuff
from my system folder, but the bug seems to persist. If I ever discover what
was wrong, I'll post it. Meanwhile, the bug was no big deal.
Most of the people who use it like it over MS Word 4 though everyone
complained the program was extremely slow (even on the 68030 machines). I
received a message from someone at Aston-Tate saying that the update was
going to come next year. So that might mean 27 days or 392. After reading the
article in MacWorld on Aston-Tate, I think the higher number is a better guess.
Oh, BTW, here is a bug I found in MathType 2.05. Select Matrix entry and enter
a 0 for number of rows or columns. Immediately you should get a Zero Divide
System bomb. I know its kind of silly bug, but hey nobody likes the cute
system bomb anymore.
Thanks to everyone who responded.
Rajiv.
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Rajiv Agrawal (614) 292-9029 (614) 421-7970
206 W 18th Ave, Columbus, OH 43210 BITNET: TS5600@OHSTVMA
INTERNET: agrawal@rcgl1.eng.ohio-state.edu rajiv@felix.eng.ohio-state.edu
agrawal@porsche.eng.ohio-state.edu
Being an Indian, I prefer to work 8-5 Indian Standard Time.nilesinc@well.UUCP (Avi Rappoport) (12/05/89)
In article <2390@calvin.EE.CORNELL.EDU> jim@calvin.spp.cornell.edu.UUCP (PUT YOUR NAME HERE) writes: >In article <3612@quanta.eng.ohio-state.edu> AGRAWAL@rcgl1.eng.ohio-state.edu (Rajiv Agrawal) writes: >>Hi, >> Judging from the number of responses (precisely zero) on Fullwrite bugs, am >>I to assume that nobody is using Fullwrite? In fact, the bugs are not there >> > >If only I can get EndNote to port their bibliography program over to FullWrite >and then I would really have it made. With only 1 1/2 programmers, it's not likely any time soon! (sigh) Of course if Ashton-Tate wants to give us some helpful code... -- -- Help me justify my online bills: ask me EndNote questions, please! -- Avi Rappoport nilesinc@well.UUCP, Niles.Assoc on AppleLink 415-655-666 2000 Hearst, Berkeley, CA 94709