[comp.sys.mac] FREE Month of PRODIGY, On-Line Service and Software

mallory@ide.uucp (Kevin Mallory) (12/05/89)

I don't know about any of the rest of the MAC users out there, but I'm 
not at all satisfied with Prodigy for the MAC.  It took me a full week
of futzing around to get it to work.  Their support organization knew
NOTHING about macs.  I was told to:

1) remove all INITs

2) turn off ram cache

3) don't use Multifinder

4) When all else fails, don't use prodigy from my hard disk but use
it from the supplied floppies.

I think this is ridiculous!  After much futzing around it does work, with
ALL of my inits (INCLUDING a screen saver), ram cache on, and on the hard
disk.  Unfortunately, it doesn't work with Multifinder.

The support people asked me to 'try it with one init at a time, and send
us a list of those that work'.  I asked them if they were asking me
to debug their software for them.  (They don't have a list of inits which
work and which don't).  They said no (HAH).

To top all of this off, I posted a note on the prodigy mac bulletin board
flaming about the support issues (not to mention the non-maclike
interface).  2 other users replied... I tried to reply only to find that
the message had been LOCKED for replies.  When I asked for an explanation
of why it was "locked for replies". I was told that it wasn't locked.
When I went back to try to reply again, I found that it was GONE (along
with the replies).  I have since sent another message asking why my
message was deleted.  I feel very strongly that I have been CENSORED.  I
think that IBM and Sears, and Prodigy needs to re-read the US
constitution, especially the part about freedom of speech.

When my free month runs out, so long prodigy!


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lsr@Apple.COM (Larry Rosenstein) (12/07/89)

In article <244@ide.UUCP> mallory@ide.UUCP (Kevin Mallory) writes:
>I think this is ridiculous!  After much futzing around it does work, with
>ALL of my inits (INCLUDING a screen saver), ram cache on, and on the hard
>disk.  Unfortunately, it doesn't work with Multifinder.

The first thing I did when I got the software was to figure out why it
crashed under MultiFinder.  It turns out the problem is that they allocate
a 280K or so non-relocatable block when you try to connect, and don't check
to see if this succeeds.  The program has no SIZE resource, so its default
partition size is 384K.   If you increase the partition size to 750K, then
it will work.

You won't be able to switch out of the program, since they don't support
menus.  However, if you have >1 screen, you will be able to click in
windows on the other screen.  That would be a big mistake because Prodigy
doesn't handle suspend/resume or update events, and part of what they do to
take over the screen is to remove the menu bar and to modify the low memory
GrayRgn.  (In the latter case they replace the region handle with a region
in their heap, which means if the application crashes GrayRgn will be
invalid.)

You can prevent any switches by using ResEdit to change the WIND/130
resource in the program.  Set the procID to 1, to make it a modal dialog.

>the message had been LOCKED for replies.  When I asked for an explanation
>of why it was "locked for replies". I was told that it wasn't locked.
>When I went back to try to reply again, I found that it was GONE (along

This is pretty sad.  I had thought that Prodigy was open-minded about this,
sine they were allowing people to post messages talking about America
Online.  -- 
		 Larry Rosenstein,  Object Specialist
 Apple Computer, Inc.  20525 Mariani Ave, MS 46-B  Cupertino, CA 95014
	    AppleLink:Rosenstein1    domain:lsr@Apple.COM
		UUCP:{sun,voder,nsc,decwrl}!apple!lsr

mec@cbnewsj.ATT.COM (michael.e.connick) (12/07/89)

Prodigy will run under MultiFinder if you set the memory size large
enough.

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Michael Connick    mec@mtfmi.ATT.COM    201-957-3057
AT&T Bell Labs     MT 3F-113	        (Dept. 79153)

boeheim@lindy.Stanford.EDU (Chuck Boeheim) (12/07/89)

I didn't have any problem with loading the program, but I did spend
a lot of time trying to get it to work with my Hayes compatible
Concord Data Systems Series II 2400 baud modem.  After monitoring
the line, I found that they were sending very complex settings commands
to the modem, apparently trying to set every possible modem configuration
that they could find in the manual.  To begin with, they send an ATEE1E4
string to the modem, and appear to use the checksum response to index
the modem table in the file MODEMS.TXT.  (Was that the file name?  I'm
at work now and that stuff's at home.)  Well, the Concord modem doesn't
respond to an E4 directive.  I tried various combinations of altering 
the EE1E4 string with a sector editor (it's imbedded in the program),
and changing the code lines in the MODEMS.TXT file.  I succeeded in
getting it to send some different sequences, but it appears to be too
dependant on the responses, since it kept saying that I could not 
connect to the service.

So I dragged out my old Hayes 1200 modem and used that.  Presto, it
was on in a flash.  (Strange, that old modem doesn't implement that 
E4 directive either.  What gives?)  So I sent a note to their HELP99A
mailbox giving a description like this one and asking for their help
in using my faster modem.  I received only the disappointing response
that 'the Concord modem is not supported by this service.'  In my 
opinion, their program is trying to be too clever by far in configuring
the modem, and by doing so they are shutting themselves off from 
a large section of the market that owns modems that are only slightly
less than 100% Hayes compatible.  

I'm not locked out since I have a modem that works, but I have to 
recable the Mac, and put up with the slower speed.  I'll weigh the
value of the service they provide when deciding to keep it after
the trial period, but the inconvenience and their responsiveness will
certainly be a factor in that decision.

-Chuck Boeheim
 Stanford Linear Accelerator Center