gregwong@maui.cs.ucla.edu (Greg Wong) (11/18/89)
Here's a real simple question. Please respond via e-mail so as not to
clutter this newsgroup.
I'm thinking of buying a Mac II of some kind. The Mac IIci has a built-in
8-bit Video adapter whereas I'd have to buy a separate one for the Mac IIcx.
I would also like to get the Mac II Video Card Expansion Kit that enables
an 8-bit video card to display up to 256 colors or gray scales at once.
The question is, will the Video Card Expansion Kit work with the built-in
Video adapter on the IIci, or do I need to get a IIcx in order to get the
256 colors or gray scales? I'm going to use the machine for graphics
mostly, and the added colors or gray scales is important to me. Thanks
for you help.
--Greg
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\_____________/ <gregwong@maui.cs.ucla.edu>blythedr@ingr.com (Dennis Blythe x6096) (11/22/89)
in article <29289@shemp.CS.UCLA.EDU>, gregwong@maui.cs.ucla.edu (Greg Wong) says: > References: > > Here's a real simple question. Please respond via e-mail so as not to > clutter this newsgroup. > > I'm thinking of buying a Mac II of some kind. The Mac IIci has a built-in > 8-bit Video adapter whereas I'd have to buy a separate one for the Mac IIcx. > I would also like to get the Mac II Video Card Expansion Kit that enables > an 8-bit video card to display up to 256 colors or gray scales at once. > > The question is, will the Video Card Expansion Kit work with the built-in > Video adapter on the IIci, or do I need to get a IIcx in order to get the > 256 colors or gray scales? I'm going to use the machine for graphics > mostly, and the added colors or gray scales is important to me. Thanks > for you help. > --Greg Yes, I'm using a Mac IIci with the video card expansion, and it works alot better than the built in card! (faster) _______________________________________________________________________________ \ \ ingr!b11!skylark!dennis \ Dennis Blythe Insert quotation \ Intergraph here \ (205)-772-6096 \ USA \ -------------------------------------------------------------------------------
hodas@eniac.seas.upenn.edu (Josh Hodas) (11/22/89)
In article <7589@ingr.com> blythedr@ingr.com (Dennis Blythe x6096) writes: >in article <29289@shemp.CS.UCLA.EDU>, gregwong@maui.cs.ucla.edu (Greg Wong) says: >> References: >> >> Here's a real simple question. Please respond via e-mail so as not to >> clutter this newsgroup. >> >> I'm thinking of buying a Mac II of some kind. The Mac IIci has a built-in >> 8-bit Video adapter whereas I'd have to buy a separate one for the Mac IIcx. >> I would also like to get the Mac II Video Card Expansion Kit that enables >> an 8-bit video card to display up to 256 colors or gray scales at once. >> >> The question is, will the Video Card Expansion Kit work with the built-in >> Video adapter on the IIci, or do I need to get a IIcx in order to get the >> 256 colors or gray scales? I'm going to use the machine for graphics >> mostly, and the added colors or gray scales is important to me. Thanks >> for you help. >> --Greg > > >Yes, I'm using a Mac IIci with the video card expansion, and it works alot >better than the built in card! (faster) No, No, No!!! I think Dennis, that you have misunderstood Greg's question. He is not asking whether you can use a video card with the ci, he is asking whether you can use the Video Card Expansion Kit (the 8 chips you add to a 4-bit video card to make it an 8 bit video-card) with the ci. The correct answer is no, but you dont need it. The ci internal video uses the ci's motherboard RAM for video RAM. If you want to display 256 colors, just make sure you have at least 2 Megs of Ram in your machine. You can also use a video-card with the expansion and disable the on-board video, which will lead to somewhat improved performance, but this is not what was asked. Josh ------------------------- Josh Hodas (hodas@eniac.seas.upenn.edu) 4223 Pine Street Philadelphia, PA 19104 (215) 222-7112 (home) (215) 898-5423 (school office)
bs1k+@andrew.cmu.edu (Bryan Todd Schmersal) (11/30/89)
I'm going to get a MacII in the near future and was considering getting a IIci, but my father (who is the major financer of the project) says that there are a lot of software incompatabilities. Is this true? I'm sure that even if it is there will be updates to fix the bugs. I just generally need to convince him that the ci is better than the cx, if in fact it is. So any comments/suggestions/other would be useful. Thanks in advance, SMURF ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- CCCCC M M U U | Bryan T. Schmersal bs1k+@andrew.cmu.edu C MM MM U U | Carnegie Mellon University (412)268-8579 C M M M U U | Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania 15213 POST C M M U U | "I'd rather be a survivor at Carnegie NO CCCCC M M UUUUU | Mellon than a hero at Pitt." BILLS -----------------------------------------------------------------------------
cuello@uxh.cso.uiuc.edu (12/01/89)
Incompatibilities with the IIci? Excel 2.2 bombs now and then; Cricket graph 1.3 does not work at all (it bombs immediately); none of the software created by NCSA for complex color graphic manipulation (available from anonymous ftp at Zaphod.ncsa.uiuc.edu) works without bombing during interpolation; and a package not much used, but that I personally find very useful, also does not work: Shazam 6.0 (an econometrics package). So at least for my usual economic/econometric sorcery I have had to go back to either my SE or SE/30... <><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><> | Federico A. CUELLO <cuello@uiuc> | "He who can, does. Research Associate/Microcomputer Consultant | He who can't, teaches." Regional Science Program/CSO Microconsulting | G. B. Shaw University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign | 237-I Davenport Hall - Urbana, Il. 61801 | (Economics, anyone?) | <><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><>
xdab@tank.uchicago.edu (David Baird) (12/03/89)
In article <0ZREShW00UoL4m4HUp@andrew.cmu.edu> bs1k+@andrew.cmu.edu (Bryan Todd Schmersal) writes: >I'm going to get a MacII in the near future and was considering getting a >IIci, but my father (who is the major financer of the project) says that >there are a lot of software incompatabilities. Is this true? I'm sure that >even if it is there will be updates to fix the bugs. >I just generally need to convince him that the ci is better than the cx, if >in fact it is. So any comments/suggestions/other would be useful. > >Thanks in advance, >SMURF I have a IIci and have not found any program incompatibility with it. Every program that was running on my SE is now running on the IIci. This includes Pagemaker Microsoft Word, Excel WordPerfect VersaTerm MicroPhone II SuperPaint 2.0 I hope this helps. I like the machine, expecially when working with tables in Word 4.0. David Baird
bjones@Apple.COM (Bruce Jones) (12/03/89)
>I'm going to get a MacII in the near future and was considering getting a >IIci, but my father (who is the major financer of the project) says that >there are a lot of software incompatabilities. Is this true? I'm sure that >even if it is there will be updates to fix the bugs. >I just generally need to convince him that the ci is better than the cx, if >in fact it is. So any comments/suggestions/other would be useful. I use a IIci everyday, all day long and have had no compatibilty problems. I use FullWrite, Excel, MPW, LightSpeed Pascal, Pixel Paint, MacDraw, MacPaint, HyperCard (needed a new version), Aldus Freehand, Aldus PageMaker, MacTerminal, and plenty of other Apple-Home-Grown software. Like I said, I've had no problems. I hope this helps. -- =============================================================================== Bruce Jones bjones@apple.com Software Engineer AppleLink: JONES12 System Software Group 408 974-3454 Apple Computer, Inc 20525 Marianni Avenue MS 22BB Cupertino, CA 95014 ===============================================================================
tdrinkar@cosmos.acs.calpoly.edu (Terrell Drinkard) (12/03/89)
In article <6520@tank.uchicago.edu> xdab@tank.uchicago.edu (David Baird) writes: >In article <0ZREShW00UoL4m4HUp@andrew.cmu.edu> bs1k+@andrew.cmu.edu (Bryan Todd Schmersal) writes: >I have a IIci and have not found any program incompatibility with it. >Every program that was running on my SE is now running on the IIci. This >includes > Pagemaker > Microsoft Word, Excel > WordPerfect > VersaTerm > MicroPhone II > SuperPaint 2.0 > >I hope this helps. I like the machine, expecially when working with >tables in Word 4.0. > > David Baird I must agree with David, I love my ci. However, it is not completely compatible with older software (older being 6 months or so :-) I too run Excel, and Word. I can also run Claris CAD, MacDraw II 1.1, Smartcomm II 3.1, MPW (though there seems to be a problem with Projector), Turbo Pascal 1.1 (believe it or not), Moria, Pirates, Strategic Conquest (screwy memory management and all), Wingz 1.0, MacWrite 5.0, DigSim, LogiMac, Frame-Mac, Math21, Digital Darkroom (as long as I stay away from the gray menu item), Freehand 2.0, FileMaker II, Fastback II 2.0, TOPS 2.1, PSN, and probably one or two other ones that I can't think of at the moment. However, there are some serious problems. *Major* problems! I can't run Falcon 2.0. It is concievable that the world could end because of this :-) Nor will Mazewars+ run. Cricket Graph 1.3 (and 1.0) dies the hard death immediately. So do Harrier Strike Mission II and Hunt for Red October. Microsoft's FORTRAN also refuses to run. My copy is version 2.1 and Microsoft hasn't bothered to tell me if there is any later version - but then, their tech support was miserable, so I'm not surprised. Hell, they don't even bother to tell me about the Word updates anymore! Oh, and I am having some problems with MPW Pascal compiles. It compiles, but code that worked in Turbo now bombs in MPW. I'm working on it... Terry Disclaimer et la Signaturo: Hell no, I'm not responsible for what I say! If everyone were responsible for what they said, we'd have had a balanced budget in 1984.
franks@fwi.uva.nl (Frank Storbeck) (12/04/89)
Well, on my IIci the following software crashes: Excel 1.3 MS-Word 3.1 (not when run under the multifinder!) Gricket-Graph 1.3 Superpaint works incorrectly when the monitor (standard apple 12") uses 2 or more bitplanes. In black and white no problem at all. Looks to me that they do their own memory management. Frank Storbeck Phone: +31 2550 64790, TELEX: 71044 RIVO NL EMAIL: franks@fwi.uva.nl SNAIL: Netherlands Institute for Fishery Investigations, P.O. Box 68, 1970 AB IJMUIDEN, The Netherlands.
bell@eniac.seas.upenn.edu (Mike Bell) (12/04/89)
The software drivers for the Apple CD Rom Drive also bomb when they attempt
to load at boot. Apple says that they are working on it...
Mike Bell
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********************************************************************************c8s-an@franny.Berkeley.EDU (Alex Lau) (12/05/89)
In article <1989Dec3.064225.28445@polyslo.CalPoly.EDU> tdrinkar@cosmos.acs.calpoly.edu.UUCP (Terrell Drinkard) writes: >However, there are some serious problems. >*Major* problems! I can't run Falcon 2.0. It is concievable that >the world could end because of this :-) Spectrum Holobyte knows of this, and Marisa says that version 2.2 will be out to fix this problem and also add some neat new features. Expect it either this month or next. >Terry --- Alex "no disclaimer necessary" Lau
ieee@smu.uucp (IEEE group account) (12/07/89)
>Incompatibilities with the IIci? Excel 2.2 bombs now and then; Cricket grap
You may have another problem with Excel. I use it *lots* and have had no
problems. I have 2.2 (May 5 version).
-Fred
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