perez@andromeda.rutgers.edu.rutgers.edu (Willie Perez) (12/06/89)
I have a suggestion! I've been waiting for my MacTerminal upgrade for ages. Seems nowadays that some shareware programs are almost just as good as the products we pay good money for. Why doesn't Claris take MacTerminal (since it has all the other originally Apple programs) and add Zmodem and scripting. This, I know, will directly compete with WhiteKnight(RedRyder) and Microphone II. But I'm kind of upset that I paid good money for MacTerminal which only supports Xmodem (no scripting) and shareware programs ZTerm for example, already support Zmodem! perez@andromeda.rutgers.edu Opinions are strictly mine: I'm a poor unemployed college student anyway.
chuq@Apple.COM (Chuq Von Rospach) (12/06/89)
perez@andromeda.rutgers.edu.rutgers.edu (Willie Perez) writes: >Why doesn't >Claris take MacTerminal (since it has all the other originally >Apple programs) and add Zmodem and scripting. Because Apple still owns MacTerminal, not Claris. -- Chuq Von Rospach <+> chuq@apple.com <+> [This is myself speaking] When it comes to matters ourside your specialties, you are consistently and brilliantly stupid [....] with respect to matters you haven't studied and have had no experience basing your opinions on casual gossip [....] and plain misinformation -- unsuspected because you haven't attempted to verify it. -- Robert Heinlein to J.W. Campbell, Jr. 1941
drc@claris.com (Dennis Cohen) (12/06/89)
perez@andromeda.rutgers.edu.rutgers.edu (Willie Perez) writes: >I have a suggestion! >I've been waiting for my MacTerminal upgrade for ages. >Seems nowadays that some shareware programs are almost just >as good as the products we pay good money for. Why doesn't >Claris take MacTerminal (since it has all the other originally >Apple programs) and add Zmodem and scripting. This, I know, >will directly compete with WhiteKnight(RedRyder) and Microphone II. >But I'm kind of upset that I paid good money for MacTerminal >which only supports Xmodem (no scripting) and shareware programs >ZTerm for example, already support Zmodem! Normally, I would just respond to this by mail, but it has been asked before and so the information should probably be more widely shared. When Apple spun Claris off, it gave Claris application programs and kept "System Software" in-house. Apple considers MacTerminal to be "System Software" just as they consider HyperCard to be System Software. Claris can't "take" MacTerminal, Apple has to "give" it and there is no way that they are going to do so, especially with their classification of connectivity (including telecommunications) software as "System Software". Lest you think I don't understand your frustration, I also paid good money (in the form of upgrading a 128K Mac to a 512K back in 1984) for MacTerminal (and MacProject). A few months later, I sent a shareware payment to Scott Watson for Red Ryder 4.0 and used various versions of Red for all my telecomm needs except AppleLink until I bought CompuServe Navigator. I still use RR (and am awaiting my upgrade to WK). I've tried each release of ZTerm since .75, but keep going back to RR. Getting any support out of Apple or their dealer base for MacTerminal was quickly discovered to be an exercise in futility.
fleming@cup.portal.com (Stephen R Fleming) (12/07/89)
perez@andromeda.rutgers.edu.rutgers.edu (Willie Perez) writes: >Why doesn't >Claris take MacTerminal (since it has all the other originally >Apple programs) and add Zmodem and scripting. Better suggestion - why doesn't Apple (not Claris) take all its copies of MacTerminal and have a bonfire, so that unsuspecting Mac purchasers quit buying this crippled program? Without the Apple imprimateur, they might look around and find things like Smartcom II. Best I can figure is that Apple plans some neato-keen communications features in System 7.0, which is why Claris didn't inherit MacTerminal. I'll withhold judgement until I see it, but I can't imagine anything working better for the way I do business than Smartcom II. (Others swear by Microphone and White Knight... fine. But have you ever found a rabid MacTerminal power user?) +--------------------------+-------------------------------------------+ | Stephen Fleming | My employer doesn't pay for this account. | | fleming@cup.portal.com | In fact, my employer doesn't even know | | CI$: 76354,3176 | I'm here! Disclaimer enough for any | | Voice: (703) 847-7058 | network-aware lawyer-types, I hope... | +--------------------------+-------------------------------------------+
dorner@pequod.cso.uiuc.edu (Steve Dorner) (12/09/89)
In article <24751@cup.portal.com> fleming@cup.portal.com (Stephen R Fleming) writes: >But have you ever found a rabid >MacTerminal power user? I think foaming at the mouth is normal behavior for a MacTerminal user. It was for me when I used it; but then so was swearing, kicking, and screaming :-). (Anybody want to buy a copy of MacTerminal, the first version ever?) -- Steve Dorner, U of Illinois Computing Services Office Internet: s-dorner@uiuc.edu UUCP: {convex,uunet}!uiucuxc!dorner IfUMust: (217) 244-1765