aland@infmx.UUCP (Dr. Scump) (01/04/90)
In article <18570@netnews.upenn.edu> hodas@eniac.seas.upenn.edu.UUCP (Josh Hodas) writes: >God forgive me.. >I swore I was going to stay out of this argument. I thought I had resisted it >long enough, as the volume was down to a trickle. But this note just P-sses me >off. (It's not the first one, its just the straw that broke the camel's back. >Alan, you clearly have no idea what this conversation is about. I don't know what you mean by "this conversation". I stayed out of the holy war part of things. My only posting in this whole thread was to refute David O'Rourke's very specific flame that complained that PC's lacked the Mac's ability to use "multi-screens", and his specific example was debugging with multiple screens. PCs are quite capable (DOS or UNIX) of using multiple screens, and it doesn't take a bionic hardware geek to set such a thing up. That's ALL I said. >Yes, it is certainly true you can run your debugger on two screens. I wont >deny that, I do it all the time when I do PC development. But the point is >that this debugger had to be specifically designed for that use, and it is one >of a very few applications that knows how to do it on the PC. On the mac >any application can run on anny monitor (caveat, a very few poorly written >programs may map their window to a particular location, this is a serious flaw >in those programs). So, are you saying that the vast majority of Mac applications can make automatic, full use of an indeterminate number of screens? I'm impressed. I never claimed otherwise. I never claimed anything about the Mac, period. >... >THe point is that you have no idea how useful a general feature it is >until you have used a well designed system that lets you use it at will. No, the point is that *you* have no idea what I do and don't know about the usefullness of such a feature. I have used the concept on DOS and UNIX; I was the first to QA support for dual-screen debugging in our 4GL-RDS DOS port. I know damn well that there are even wider uses in other environments (e.g. WingZ on the Mac). You don't have a clue of what I do and don't know. >Josh Hodas (hodas@eniac.seas.upenn.edu) Look, Josh, if you must resort to posting personal flames, at least get your facts straight; I don't care how "P-ssed off" you are about the rest of this thread. If you really feel the need to flame like this, take it to email -- my address is always in my .sig. One thing that the Mac Holy Warriors need to consider before flaming the PC architecture is that DOS AND PCs ARE TWO DIFFERENT SUBJECTS. This is comp.sys.ibm.pc, NOT comp.os.dos. Most of the feature arguments in this thread have little or nothing to do with the hardware and don't apply to other operating environments (OS/2, UNIX, etc.) IMHO, DOS is dying and has been on life support for years -- it's huge installed base is becoming a detriment. (Do you get people in comp.sys.mac comparing 486s running UNIX with the Mac 512K this often?) Please keep this in mind when you post in this group. Thank you. -- Alan S. Denney @ Informix Software, Inc. "We're homeward bound {pyramid|uunet}!infmx!aland ('tis a damn fine sound!) -------------------------------------------- with a good ship, taut & free Disclaimer: These opinions are mine alone. We don't give a damn, If I am caught or killed, the secretary when we drink our rum will disavow any knowledge of my actions. with the girls of old Maui."
aland@infmx.UUCP (Dr. Scump) (01/04/90)
comp.sys.mac readers: Please excuse the cross-posting of the previous
article -- I didn't notice time that the original was cross-posted...
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Alan S. Denney @ Informix Software, Inc.
{pyramid|uunet}!infmx!alandmgodwin@rpp386.cactus.org (Mike Godwin) (01/05/90)
In article <2986@infmx.UUCP> aland@infmx.UUCP (alan denney) writes: >[among many other things] >So, are you saying that the vast majority of Mac applications can make >automatic, full use of an indeterminate number of screens? Yeah. Neat, huh? --Mike -- Mike Godwin UT Law School | "... and first I put my arms around him yes mgodwin@rpp386.cactus.org | and drew him down to me so he could feel my (512) 346-4190 | breasts all perfume yes and his heart was cs.utexas.edu!rpp386!mgodwin | going like mad and yes I said yes I will Yes."
ADAM.FRIX@f200.n226.z1.FIDONET.ORG (ADAM FRIX) (01/07/90)
Alan S. Denney writes:
ASD> So, are you saying that the vast majority of Mac
ASD> applications can make automatic, full use of an
ASD> indeterminate number of screens?
Not just the vast majority, but virtually _all_ Mac apps (there are a few
exceptions, most notably games) can do this. It's not a feature that's
written into the program, necessarily, but rather a feature of the OS.
Some programs (like games) are written in such a way that go around the
OS--and so don't/can't use multiple monitors. But any app that follows
the conventions outlined in Apple's Inside Macintosh series doesn't even
know or care that it's being dragged around a monitor workspace that looks
like an inverted T, or maybe a W, or whatever. :-)
--Adam--
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